A guest on Ben Greenfield's Podcast, Dr. Cook shares his guide to eliminating Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) once & for all

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Welcome to the show everybody. I'm sitting at my kitchen table here with the wonderful Matt Cook. You don't have any smoothie on your face. How's my face look? You like red? Is it clean? Yeah. Did you like that smoothie? You look like the, the face of God and the voice of God. The voice of God. The deep. We've established possibly male booming voice.

Uh, Matt and I have been geeking out all morning. What have we done so far this morning? Uh, before I, before I tell people the smoothie recipe, we, we got up, we did, uh, vibration foam roller and the five Tibetan longevity exercises. That was awesome. And a bunch of body work. Yep. And then we both did the, the full body juve light, but to get our circadian rhythms going, we did the, uh, the, what were those?

The recharger gla the re timer glasses. Uhhuh the ear. Thanks. And the, and the human charger. So we got the circadian rhythms going cuz it's kind of gray here in Spokane. A rainy day. So we wanted to get a blast of both, uh, near infrared and red light. But then also the, the regular sunlight exposure. Mm-hmm.

And then, um, Matt did some, some pulse electromagnetic field therapy on his. Back and, which was amazing. Did you like that move? That, that was awesome. Yeah. This opener that I have and, and if you guys are listening, I, I have this one on YouTube. You lay on this pulse electromagnetic field pad and you kinda like move your hips back and forth and flip over and do the same thing on the front side, just releases.

All the low back and the hip muscles and the SOAs. It's amazing cuz the what, when you do the pmf, when you roll over onto your side, you feel it hit the SOAs and the ilio SOAs, yeah. As you're rolling. And it was, it's like crazy how intense that is. Yeah. It, it's a, it's a really great move for the hips and Matt's pouring himself a little, little french press and we did a, we did a nature walk where we worked on, uh, vagus nerve activation by keeping our eyes really wide open and using the peripheral vision as we walked through the forest and did a lot of deep breathing in through the nose to waken the senses and, uh, kind of kept the ears open.

And then we walked in silence for a while through the snow, which is a really great way to just kind of connect to nature. In the morning we were talking about, when I'm at home, I always do typically the sauna with cold pool or go on a walk just because I like to ease myself kind of parasympathetically into the day.

And then go, go crush the gym later on in the day. Uh, and so we've, we've done all that. And then we had a smoothie. Oh, we had a hot tub. Oh. And then we, then we jumped in the hot tub. Yeah. So, which was amazing. What was in the, with the smoothie. So we had planned on starting this to record this podcast for you in the wee hours of the morning.

It's already noon. Just getting started. Um, what was in the smoothie? Uh, Well, let's see the base. So there, so there's always like a base, right? Sometimes it's bone broth, sometimes it's coconut milk. But lately what I've been using is I have camel's milk. I order camel's milk from the is, I think it's just called the Camel's milk company down in California.

So it doesn't have the inflammatory, a one protein that cow's milk has. It's all a two protein, and what I do is I've got these keifer grains and I, I ferment the Keifer grains in camel's milk for about 24 to 36 hours. I just kind of give it a taste as it goes and it gets mildly sour. That's a good sign that the Keifer grains have digested any lactose sugars and basically fermented to create this wonderful probiotic rich compound that's got El Rooter eye in it.

It's got it. Actually, I found this out recently. It specifically causes the production of collagen peptides when you consume keefer. And so you're actually producing your own peptides in the gut when you create this keefer, when that's awesome, when you take this keefer. So that was the base we used, but I mixed the keefer up with a bunch of colostrum.

So I put a bunch of, of colostrum from these grass fed goats into the camel's milk keefer, and that was the base of the smoothie. And then to that, we added, uh, some organic rock cow powder from addictive wellness to give it that those dia bromines and do dopamines, uh, added a few scoops of the organify, uh, SuperGreens powder.

Uh, we put some creatine in there, uh, not only because we're trying to get sw, uh, but also for the little nootropic effect that creatine can give you. We put a really potent antioxidant in there called C 60 a C 60 in olive oil. Yeah. For those of you. Yeah, for those you don't know what C 60 is, go and listen to my podcast with Ian Mitchell and I'll, I'll link to all this stuff I'm talking about.

If you guys go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset cuz our whole podcast or a lot of our podcast today is gonna be about the gut. Uh, so ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset. I lo I love him by the way. He's like super great. Ian Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah. So we get, so we had C 60 in there with the camel's milk and the greens and the cacao powder.

And then I put a little bit of salan cinnamon in there to kind of stabilize the blood sugar. Uh, little bit of organic stevia. I get this wonderful Stevia from Amica Organics to give it a little bit of sweetness. We put a little bit of this, uh, this nut butter in there that's a blend of flax seeded chia seed, almond and pumpkin.

So we had this nut butter in there. And then, uh, before blending, was there anything else I threw in there? Um, I think those were, those were the biggies. And then after blending, or you add a bunch of ice, right? To get, so I get like this thick ice creamy texture you can eat with a spoon. So, oh, I remember the last thing I put in there for texture, organic pumpkin mash, which is wonderful.

It's like a secondary base for a smoothie. So we've got like those, those nine, 10 different ingredients in there. Then we blend it all up and we topped it with organic dark chocolate chunks and unsweetened coconut flakes for a little bit of texture. And that was it. That was breakfast. That's a mon man of heaven.

We would've had to have paid like 50 bucks for that at a coffee shop. Yep. Yeah. But it's fun to make these things. I, I love making my morning smoothie and, um, it's always a little different. I think. I love watching you make it more than you love making it, so, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a ton of fun. So, um, anyways, though, so to, to give you guys some background on this podcast, first of all, Dr.

Matt Cook, my guest on today's show, this, this officially once this episode is released, will make him the. Most, what, what would you call it? The most frequent guest on the Ben Greenfield Fitness show of all time. Nice. Yeah, because this will be your fifth podcast you've done with me and we have covered in the past everything from ketamine to vagus nerve resets to uh, to ozone therapy, to placental matrix and peptides.

Like Matt and I have covered a ton of stuff in previous episodes and I'm gonna link to all of our previous episodes. If you guys just want to geek out, if you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset, on about a quarterly basis, I actually fly down to San Jose and I go see Matt at his clinic and he geeks out on me for like two to three days with all these new protocols and.

He occasionally comes up to my house too. And right now he's got a suitcase full of, uh, what is that? Ultrasound imaging? Yeah. Stuff. So we're gonna do like ultrasound imaging and nerve hydro dissection, uh, on the go later on this. So we might shoot some right on the kitchen table, some videos for you guys.

But Matt is the founder of Bio Reset Medical, Biore Reset Medical, and it's a whole regenerative medical clinic, just doing a ton of things that. You've probably never before seen in, in a facility, but he combines that with functional medicine and self quantification and even some, some things to treat PTSD and trauma like ketamine.

And so he's got all these different things going on at his facility. And he also advises a bunch of different medical companies. He does physician training programs. He works with sexual performance optimization as well, which we're gonna touch on today for those of you who have no interest in the gut whatsoever.

But I was down in San Jose about five months ago and I had what, what's really a difficult conversation for me because you guys, for those of you listening in, just just so you know, You know, it's sometimes hard for me being a person that people look up to as a guy who's supposed to be the icon of health, who's supposed to present this perfect picture of himself to the world to admit that he's having health problems.

And for the past two years, I have increasingly, and I spelled this out to Matt about six months ago, I have increasingly been dealing with gut issues like bloating and gas in the afternoons and even like low back and hip pain that seems to be related to some type of inflammation going on in the gut.

And just a change in my bowel movement patterns. And it's been kind of humbling for me cuz I'm supposed to have everything figured out, right? Like I'm supposed to be the perfect icon of health. Uh, and, and, and I, I talked to Matt and I was just like, dude, can we look at this and, and see if maybe you can identify what's going on?

And. A, we found some really interesting things that a lot of other people deal with too, which is why we wanted to record this podcast for you. Um, b Matt came up with some very unique protocols that he's turning into this entire system for resetting and rebooting the gut that I thought you all would be really interested in.

And, um, I really think those, those are the two main things. A and B, those are the two things we came up with. And so what. You're gonna learn today, in addition to some of the discussions Matt and I'll have later on about what he's doing for sexual performance optimization and for PTs d and some of these more cutting edge protocols, he's doing like ozone dialysis, which is absolutely amazing.

Uh, what you guys are gonna learn is how to figure out what's going on in your gut when you have these type of issues related to things like mold, mycotoxins, small intestine, bacterial overgrowth, biofilm, and that that's just a preview of all the, all the shit literally that's going out in my gut right now.

And you're gonna have to learn how to kiss that goodbye with a specific protocol that Matt has designed to be able to go after some of this stuff. So, uh, the. Did I, did I set us up pretty well, Matt? Yeah, to dig in. You couldn't have done any better. Okay. Alright. So, so that's, that's where we're at, folks.

So, so, a, um, Ben is having health issues. B a lot of people are struggling with these same issues, and Matt's seeing this over and over again in his clinic. And C we're gonna talk about not only what to do about it, what you can do about it, but also some other really cool advanced health concepts that Matt's working at.

So, to begin, um, Matt, guy like me, comes to you, dude, doc stuff's going on in the gut. What do you do? What do you look at? How do you quantify? So that's so awesome that you're sort of talking like this cuz I think that this what is happening with you is probably one of the most common presentations that's an antecedent to all big problems.

And so when, when the people start to have problems in their intestines mm-hmm. That's where your entire immune system is. And then that creates immune system dysfunction and then that creates inflammation and stress throughout the body that can begin to start to affect other organ systems. And so, and, and based on what I found, it's kind of surprising how amazing it is amazing that you have the voice of God and, and the face of God.

I think the way you, you put it to me was that, The fact that I'm still put together based on what's going on in my gut, the fact that I'm even like getting outta bed in the morning and you know, traveling all over the world and, and doing what I'm doing. It's probably just all these biohacks and stuff that I'm doing because you're totally dialed in, but you're totally dialed in downstream.

Right. And so then, so then I'll dig in. So then the, what I said and I thought, Oh, this is gonna be super easy cuz he's super healthy. And so I, I I have to admit I can, I took it only semi seriously. But then what we did is we did some very advanced stool testing and we did stool testing. And the first thing that I do is I do stool testing with multiple different companies because often one, one company may miss something and they use different techniques to look at it.

And then I also have someone who looks at, at the, your stool with a microscope. And then they go in and they look for tropho Cytes and they look for cysts and they look for parasites, particularly under the microscope. And which test was that? That was the stool test. That was the, that was the Genova Diagnostics, or?

No, that was the Echo University stool test. Okay. It's called an Echo University Stool test. And so then this is, and that's kind of a boutique one that we actually just mail it, uh, to this doctor, Dr. Ibrahim, who's, who's a, a famous parasitologist. Mm-hmm. But then what. What we found is, is that you had, uh, roundworm, I'm gonna brace, uh, everybody.

Brace yourself. This is everything we found in my gut. And remember, like for the past 20 years, I've been doing everything from swimming in sewage filled water, in, uh, triathlons in Thailand to walking barefoot through the streets of Bangkok to, you know, all sorts of crazy stuff. So this wasn't incredibly surprising to me, but go, go ahead and dig in, Matt.

So you had two roundworms and then you had an amoeba. So you had three parasites and, and I had seen, uh, Giardia in you in the past. Mm-hmm. So you had four parasites, and that's kind of, I I, it's almost like an occupational hazard of like, of your lifestyle. So you were probably always gonna pick those up.

And, uh, and what those tend to do is they tend to burrow into the wall of your intestine and your small intestine. Mm-hmm. And, and then they tend to create a biofilm around them. And so then now they're just living there and food's being washed down, but they create this biofilm that looks kind of like pons gum that protects them from being washed away.

And then they have life cycles where two week life cycles, where sometimes they're in assist form, sometimes they're active. And so it is hard to kill them because the, if, if you kill them today, Some of the cyst forms are isolated and protected and then they come back out and so this is like something out of the movie aliens.

It's kinda like, it's kinda like that. Yeah. And it's, and and honestly if it, if it way, if it goes long enough they start to bear bur all the way through the intestines and cause. Mass problems. Wow. And so then you've got, you've got, you had four parasites. And, and, and for me, considering this has been going on for like about two years, these things have had a lot of time to do some damage.

Right. And so then when I see that much stuff going on, and when I, when I hear people having symptoms, I begin to think, oh, is mold involved in this? Mm-hmm. Because whether it's Lyme, whether it's GI things, uh, if somebody has a mold illness, mold illness plus Lyme or mold illness plus parasites presents differently.

And so then it takes us down a different sort of algorithm. And so I did a, uh, test where I looked to see if you had mycotoxins in your urine, which you had a lot of. Mm-hmm. And then I did a test. And then which, which test is the urine? Those the Great Plains. That's a Great Plains urine test Mold. Urine test.

Okay. And then I did a, a test that Andrew Campbell, who's one of the, I think the smartest mold guy in the country. Um, and you should have him on your podcast. Um, and we did the Myco. And the Myco looks to see if your immune system, and that's a blood test, is exactly, and it, it's a test of antibodies to see if your immune system is making antibodies to mold toxins.

Mm-hmm. And mycotoxins are basically a byproduct, uh, that, that, uh, mold makes when it divides. And so you had incredibly high levels of mycotoxins or mycotoxin antibodies floating for these antibodies flattering around in your bloodstream. Very, very. You sent me over the results and like it was, it was lit up like a Christmas tree.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A mold, a moldy Christmas tree. A moldy Christmas tree. Yeah. So then, so then, and then the final thing that you had is a couple things. You had, you had low bifido bacterium, which is an important part of your immune system mm-hmm. Uh, in terms of the microbiome analysis. And then you had candida.

And what happens is, is when there are parasites and immune dysregulation, and the, the immune dysregulation in the gut comes from the combination of the parasites and then that mold. Mm-hmm. Because what happens with the mold is, is that, um, it, it, your immune system is looking for the mycotoxins, but it can't get all the way into the intestine where the mold actually is living in that biofilm.

And so then the immune system ends up being really stressed. And so then what happens is you get candida. And candida is yeast and that only shows up as an opportunistic. Opportunistic infection when other things are going on. Okay. Alright, so we're talking about round worms, huge levels of mold and mycotoxins, probably a biofilm, candida albicans.

Um, and what there, there was one other thing. Uh oh. Uh, it showed high levels of GI inflammation, which is no surprise. And then low levels of the bifidobacterium, low levels of the ba lacto baula. So, so just essentially like a, like a storm in the gut. Did when you are looking and one and one gram negative bacteria, one gram negative bacteria, and, and usually something like this would start with, for example, a parasite or start with mold and mycotoxin, or is it, is it one or the other that this typically starts with for people?

Uh, the way that I think, so if you, if you step back, usually there's one thing that happened and in your case I predict you've been running around and being adventurous. Mm-hmm. And as a result, I think you picked up the parasites, right. That led to the biofilm, and then you got exposed to a little bit of mold.

Mm-hmm. Some people will have work in a, a mold damaged building. Mm-hmm. And so then they're breathing it in and then that was their initial. Uh, thing if they also had a parasite, then that, that they'll have a respiratory effect from breathing it in as well as a gi Right. But if they don't, they may not have any effect on their gi, other people may be eating a lot of, uh, mycotoxins and then, uh, and, and mold, and they could get it in that way.

But I think you probably picked it up somehow, but it was the, the mold probably came after the parasites. Mm-hmm. And then the combination of those two things created basically stress-free immune system and then you just haven't been able to get past it. Right. Okay. So once you've established that, so, so just to summarize for people, we did a, my Myco blood test, which looks at antibodies that would be produced if you'd been exposed to mold and mycotoxins, A Great Plains laboratory mycotoxin urine test.

And that one looked at again, what that that looks at the mycotoxins. At the actual mycotoxins themselves. And so then, and how would I think about that is if you've seen a piece of bread. And you see the green that is on, that's the mold. Okay. And then what happens is mold releases these little toxins that are neurotoxins and have a whole bunch of negative effects in general and on, on our immune system and create inflammation.

Mm-hmm. And those are nanoparticles that the, the mold releases, but they're not actual mold. And so then if you have mold living in you, and it's secreting those mycotoxins, what, what your body is reacting to is the mycotoxin, but it's not actually reacting to the mold, although it may actually, the mold in the biofilm can be having an inflammatory effect as well.

Right? And that's what the urine test is showing. Then finally, the stool analysis would look, which looked at like the yeast, parasites, fungus, things like that. And bacteria. And bacteria, okay. You basically, you everything you could have, you had, right? So you had the Happy Meal, which is crazy. Yeah, I had the Happy Meal, all right.

For me. All right. Yay. All right, so once you, you gather this data and you find this stuff out about what's going on in the gut, and I realize that we'll, rabbit hole a little bit as we go through this, and, and again, for those of you who are trying to keep up, I'm, I'm gonna be spelling all this out too@bengreenfieldfitness.com slash gi reset.

Once you find all this stuff out, then what's the protocol? Where do you go from there? So, so then, The, the most important thing is to try to get a sense then of who's the person and so I'll have two people show up in my office and this is so sort of awesome to kind of wrap your head around with these same things.

I'll have one person who can barely get outta bed and as sick as a dog and has like 45 things going on. And that's because they didn't do any of the biohacking stuff that you, you do. And their detox pathways aren't working, nothing else is working, and they have this. Right. So that's, and, and they also possibly do not live in as clean in an environment as I, as I tend to spend a lot of my time in here.

Right. At our pristine compound. Yeah. But then, you know, at the same time, you know, who knows how many condos, Airbnbs hotel rooms, apartments, you know, and in the other half of my life, I lived throughout the world Right. Getting this stuff aggravated by. Right. So then the other one is you. And so then the, the goal is to start to onboard, uh, a, a series of things that I, I put in the category of GI detox.

Mm-hmm. And, and so in, in broad terms, I need to do something that's an antimicrobial that's gonna kill things. And in broad terms, I have to do something that is gonna break down that biofilm. And then in broad terms, I have to do, start to restore and reset your, um, your microbiome, the balance of the good and bad bacteria.

And then I specifically be, I have to, you have to, you have to go back to the beginning, where did this all start? And I think this all started with the parasites. And so we need to fix that because that is what's causing you these symptoms in the afternoon. Okay, got it. Yeah. Me meaning like the increasing amount of gas, bloating, et cetera.

Mm-hmm. That builds up throughout the day with really for, for me personally, you know, having messed around with everything from a carnivore diet to a low FODMAP diet, to, you know, all sorts of different protocols to see if I could control this. The only thing that eliminates the gas and bloating is pure straight up water fasting, which of course is not sustainable for life, especially for, for a very active guy like myself.

Right. And so then before we kind of walk through treatment, Let's chat a little bit about sibo. Okay. Because I think that's super useful in, in the, the perspective of this, because this is very common. This is super common, especially even if people don't have, say, round worm or candida. The SIBO thing is quite common.

This SIBO thing, spell that out for people. So, SIBO stands is stands for S I B O, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Okay. And so then in bi, in big terms, and I'm just trying to kind of think about this, the, the food goes from your stomach into the small intestine. And the small intestine is the size of my pinky.

Okay? But it's 30 feet long. Okay. Divided into three parts. Meaning it is the diameter of the diameter of, so it's tiny. Right. And then, and that, that's smaller than I think a lot of people think. I think some people think it's like more like a garden hose, but it's not the diameter of the pink, the inside's kinda like the diameter of the pinky.

It's real small. And then the, the colon is the size of your biceps. It's gun show. Yeah. It's a good sized colon. It's a good sized colon. And so then what, what happened? So are you saying that that people's poops should be as big as their biceps? Uh uh. They should be. They should be about, in which case I'd have some pretty damn big shit.

That would be, it would be, cause I gotta me some guns. You're going to, yeah. When when I'm done with you, you're going to, okay, wonderful. So, so then, um, so then what happens is, is the small intestines sterile. So there's, there's not supposed to be any bacteria, yeast, fungi, parasites, nothing in there.

However things can attach and start living in there so you can have a parasite that can start to live there. The other thing that can happen is some bacteria could go on a road trip from the colon and come up and start to live there. They're trying to get ahead in the food line. Okay. And, and so if there's bacteria living in there, we call that small intestinal bacterial growth or overgrowth.

Mm-hmm. And so now yeast can also be living in there. Now what happens if you feed sugar to bacteria or yeasts? It's gonna multiply. It's gonna, that's their food. They, yeah, but what the way, what the way they eat it is they ferment it. Right? And so then if bacteria or yeast ferment sugar in your small intestine, which is the size of my pinky, Mm-hmm.

What that does is that that creates gas and bloating. Right. And I, and I don't want to derail you here from the explanation of sibo, but I think a lot of people, and, and, and I realize this after I did some digging, don't realize that even, you know, meat confinement Yeah. To a certain extent. Yep. And so this is not something where you can just switch to like a, a carnivore diet and necessarily get rid of the potential for bacterial fermentation, especially by some of the sulfur producing bacteria.

Right. And what, how I think about, I, I'm kind of liking how I'm thinking about this too lately, is, is that just like there's a spectrum of autism and Asperger's, or there's all of these different spectrums of, of health conditions, I think there's a little bit of a spectrum in terms of sibo. So some people can have a little bit of overgrowth, some people have a ton of overgrowth of bacteria yeast.

Now, if I've got this thing that's the diameter of my pinky and. And I've got bacteria making gas in there. Then that gas starts to distend the wall and then if it distends the wall, it creates leaky gut. Mm-hmm. And if it creates leaky gut, all of a sudden little bits of undigested food or other things that are in the biofilms in there start to get into the bloodstream.

And now your immune system sees undigested gluten or undigested corn and goes, oh my God, I'm being attacked. Cuz it doesn't know the difference cuz it's not used to having undigested proteins in the blood. And then that creates immune dysregulation with food allergies. And that's like a whole nother thing.

So you're saying that in Austin Powers fat bastard who says, I've got pizzas of corn in my crap. Better than you. Basically somebody with distension and SIBO has pieces of corn in their blood. Yeah. Fat Bastard had sibo. Yeah. Fat bastard had sibo. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Good. So then, so then now what, what I would say is, is that you've had a couple SIBO breath tests that were very mildly positive and because in your lifestyle, you, you, you eat a very small amount of sugar and you're, you eat a relative carnivore diet and you're doing everything to kinda minimize the amount of, of sugars that come in and having a pretty low glycemic diet.

You have some bacteria that are kind of got into the house party that's, that's going on in the biofilm that you have that has parasites and mold, but it's not overwhelming. And so your, your symptoms are not as bad as they could be. If you ate, if you ate, you know, sugar and went to McDonald's every day, you would have horrible.

You would have horrible si. Right? Right. And so, and, and that's backed up by the fact that if I do include fermentable foods in my diet, and this can just be a self test for people with probably the two biggest fermentable foods in a FODMAP type of protocol, being onions and garlic. Right. The very, very worst that I have felt in the past six months was when I took my kids to Dubai where we were eating, you know, tahini and garlic and.

Onions, all these fermentable foods on these Mediterranean plates, and I literally would have a balloon in my stomach, right? Every afternoon. And so if that describes you and you're listening in, especially if you, if you do garlic and onions and it, and it's funny because, you know, when this first started a couple years ago, one of my favorite things to do at the whole food salad bar was get the roasted garlic.

And I, you know, I would get a rotisserie chicken and some sweepers, but I'd always put like a giant few tablespoons there, probably like 12 garlic cloves in along with the potatoes and everything. And I would just be a balloon afterwards. And so if you eat garlic and onions and get this kind of bloating, it's a pretty good sign that you probably struggle with some type of a, a small intestine bacterial overgrowth.

Right. And so then the, the, the thing that you can do that's, Almost like a home run for this is to go onto a low FOD map diet and one one of 'em is called Specific Carbohydrate Diet. One of 'em is called the GAPS Diet. There's a bunch of different sort of just dietary approaches and the, what I like to say is, is if you imagine that that biofilm is like a castle, we gotta starve, we gotta starve them out to some extent.

And so in general, a good strategy is to avoid those fermentable things, avoid vegetables that are high in sugar and avoid all fruits while you're kind of going through this. And to the extent that you do that often, that starves them. The only caveat that I'll say is sometimes, If you are going to, and we'll kind of work, work our way through this, if I'm giving you things, they're gonna start to kill the, the, the bacteria and the parasites and, and, and the, the sibo.

Then it's okay to take, give them a little bit of, give a little bit of sugar. Right before you do that, because it's kind of like chumming the water. Mm-hmm. And so you're gonna bring 'em out and then we're gonna just kill 'em. Okay. All right. So, so that's what SIBO is for, for those of you who want the brief overview of sibo.

Now let's get into what this systematic protocol is that you use, because there's a lot of little pieces of it, and I think it's important that people understand because this information is out there, I know that you can't just do something like, you know, whatever, a tincture of oil, of oregano in the morning, in the evening, or just go low fodmap, or perhaps just take some kind of anti-parasitic medication.

There's this entire step-by-step protocol that you've created and, and I want to, I want to hear more about what that is. If you can walk people through this. Okay. So then the. Uh, first there's going to, we're gonna have to look at this and, and get a sense of the severity and when the, the first point to make is that when I see something this.

This complex and this, this many parasites. I made a decision that we're gonna go for drugs to kill the parasites in addition to my protocol. Okay? And so I'm doubling down on, on fixing this, but. Uh, generally, and most of the time I go with herbal and natural approaches and, and I start and I start with two or three things at a time.

Or if people are sick, I'll start with one at a time and I'll onboard them to that and then work, work my way through. And so then the, the first thing that I'll start with is an immunoglobulin protect, which is, uh, it's, it's bovine immunoglobulins. And they take, and these are immunoglobulins from cows, and these are basically like antibodies.

Okay. And they bind onto gram-negative bacteria, which you have, they'll bind onto parasites. And it's, it's like a alt, it's like a, a very rarefied version of colostrum. Uhhuh. And, and then, and yeah, cuz that's what colostrum has in is a lot of those immunoglobulins. Yeah. But you'd rather use that than colostrum.

Well, so it f for the sickest, almost nobody who's sick. Will react to that. Mm-hmm. Co even some people will react to colostrum. And so that's like my 1.0 Colostrum's an amazing 2.0 to add on. Mm-hmm. And so, and, and so then I'll, I'll work my, my way through, through that part of the program, obviously, because your skin is just glowing from the tablespoons and tablespoons.

You just had that I know. In your smoothie. Yeah. Yeah. If you're the face of God, I'll be the face of Jesus. There we go. So then, so, so then, um, So then the next thing is, is to start to break down those biofilms and I will start to add in biofilm busters. Now the issue is, is I'm trying to break down these biofilms.

I've got five or six different strategies and different products and different companies that I use, and sometimes when you start to give people biofilm busters, They will start to have detox reactions because you're killing, and then the bacteria that are, or yeast that are living in there are parasites will start to activate and grow and try to recreate it.

And so, but, but So then, uh, digestive enzymes, which I've been having you take, uh, which really haven't been that helpful, but I got you going on the pro protocol and the, and the, the two that I like the most is syrup, peptidase, and balu. Okay. And, and, and what do these ends? Cuz most people will think of digestive enzymes as something you'd use to digest fats or proteins or carbohydrates depending on the specific enzyme prior to a meal.

But they can also be used therapeutically to break down biofilms. Yeah. When taken on an empty stomach. Or do you take them with a meal? You, well you're gonna take 'em on an empty stomach if you want 'em to break down the biofilm on biofilm, not in the food. Cause that's important for people to know they can't just like, Continue their digestive enzyme protocol taking it right before a meal.

You'd instead, cuz I've been doing is on an empty stomach in the morning and in the evening beginning to use enzymes. Right. And so those enzymes are, are important parts of so many different protocols for different organ systems and people use for cancer. It's like, but, but, uh, when those digestive enzymes go down through the stomach and then they go into the small intestine where that biofilm is, they start to break up that biofilm just like they would break up food.

So they're gonna break up the collagen and the biofilm. And so we, we've got those two. Um, there's a, there's one. The next one, uh, that's is um, is um, Delora side. Which has mono loin in it and mono loins, a fantastic biofilm buster that that does not cause much flare. Now loin, is that related to the lork acid that you'd find in something like coconut oil?

Yeah. Which some people will use as like an antiviral or antibacterial. Yeah. So it's very, so this is an extract of that, that you could use without, for example, the, the calorie punch of just like consuming a bunch of coconut oil. Exactly. And so you get, and so there's a, you get a little bit of an antimicrobial effect from that, but then you're also getting a biofilm busting component to that.

Okay. Interesting. You know, the stevia that you put in our drink mm-hmm. Has some biofilm busting effects too, by the way. I knew that when I put it in there. Yeah, that's, I said sweetness, but I really just, you meant it. You meant it in your, you were just quietly in your mind. Yeah. And so I'm smarter than you think.

Uh, I said I, I'm, I would like to say I knew that, but I didn't. I can't, I can't have known that. Because you're smarter than I thought. Yeah, exactly. So, um, so that's hilarious. But, um, and, and what I'll do, and I, I kind of did this with you because I started you on the protocol mm-hmm. And you didn't get worse.

Mm-hmm. Which is awesome, because then that means now the protocol. So we're, I'm gonna layer in the monolaurin. Mm-hmm. And then, um, then, uh, I have a, another biofilm buster that I use that has E DTA in it. Okay. And that will start to chelate out any minerals that are in the biofilm. And that further starts to break down the, uh, the, the, the home where these things are.

So now, And then what happens is I have to put you on some herbal approaches that are gonna be killing both the parasites, yeast, and bacteria in the small intestine. So we're gonna be hitting those and I got three different ones. Okay. So we're doing Artemisinin. Mm-hmm. And then we're doing GI Synergy, which has a, a nice synergistic approach to, um, uh, killing and, and, and they have a, a parasite, uh, bacteria and a yeast within that.

So you're hitting all three, by the way, the, the Artemis Misin. Um, you know, cause I, I do so much like, you know, plant foraging and out, out in the wilderness. I, I love to learn about natural ways to get some of this stuff. But that's essentially wormwood, isn't it? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which grows like weeds outside.

So if it was spring or summer, we could have just had a wormwood smoothie this morning. Yeah. And then you would've been cur eliminated the need. Yeah. And so then I'll do, and then in, in para. So then now, and then in parallel to that I'll give liposomal glutathione. Mm-hmm. Which will help, uh, restore basically the antioxidant and, and health of the intestines as we're doing this.

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The code is Ben 10 Gluten guardian.com/ben. Now a question cuz I know people are gonna ask this. It's gonna save us some work in the comment section of this, uh, show. When you're taking the probiotics, but you're also taking these things that kill bacteria in the small intestine. Aren't the probiotics also being killed?

Right. So the, so you're just, I'm you're trying to separate them a little bit. And so I'm taking probiotics generally at night. Okay. And then I'm, I'm just spritzing them through. Mm-hmm. And, and at, at slightly different times than when you take everything else. And then, uh, and you know, another thing that you can do is you can, you can take, uh, probiotics and then you can mix 'em up with saline, and then you can put 'em in an enema.

So there's interesting. And so then you're getting him straight into the colon. Yeah. And, and that's actually what I was gonna ask you about glutathione as well, because that, that fellow, we've been talking to Dr. John Laz down in Sarasota, who, uh, who, who knocked us both flat on our Assses God the other day.

Oh, I don't, don't just call him the Sandman. He's the Sandman. So, so you guys, I've already talked about John, he's actually gonna fly up, up here next, I think in two months. And we're gonna record a podcast Uhhuh amongst other things. What this doc in Florida's doing is he's making suppositories. He's got like glutathione suppositories, probiotic suppositories, right?

But for sleep, he has this travel hacking kit, and it's essentially intranasal glutathione spray. And then a high, high dose, like a hundred milligram melatonin suppository and a 300 milligram CBD suppository. And last time I was in San Jose, I, I gave one of each to Matt and he used them. And it was really funny because we were, we were gonna get up and go to the gym the next morning at like 7:00 AM and you know, I'm texting Matt at like eight 30 with no reply.

I didn't wanna go upstairs and, and wake him up. Cause I was just crashing the, on the floor of his, of his living room. And, uh, he woke up, I think at like 8 39 and we finally had to the gym. And I think you were literally like falling asleep in the locker room at the gym still. Oh yeah. I woke up that day.

I woke up that day at one o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah. But, but I mean, like, I, I sleep like a baby. With, with no, with no melatonin. Right. So like two milligrams Melatonin is amazing for me. Yeah. Like, so that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, I, and you know what's interesting? This is an interesting thing in life. As you handed it to me.

I looked and I saw that it said the Sandman. Mm-hmm. And then I thought, I wonder what that means. And then I thought, oh, it's from Ben. I'm sure it's gonna be fine. Of course, but I should have, I should. My, I should have, that should have tempted me to ask another question. Yeah. And by the way, I, I wouldn't necessarily endorse, uh, using something like that every night, but I'm actually looking, cuz I just discovered this point as a positive.

I'm going to India in a couple weeks, so I'm gonna take this on long haul travel to kind of reset my circadia when I, when I get to where I'm going. So anyways, yeah. It's called the travel hacking. I'll, I'll find a link and put it in the show notes for you guys. I think it's called the Travel Hacking Kit.

So anyways, you've got, uh, you were talking about how you wanted to do liposomal glutathione or, um, uh, and then, and then the probiotics. And the probiotics. Yeah. Okay. So, so now basically we're breaking down biofilms, we're doing herbal approaches to killing. Mm-hmm. And then I'm, I'm hooking you up with glutathione and then we're restoring your microbiome through a diversity of different things.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Alright. So we've got that whole stack. And that would be considered the, the parasite reset component, correct? Exactly. Except for the fact that, uh, you're gonna do albendazole and you're gonna do a, uh, a course of three anti-parasitics. Mm-hmm. And it's only gonna be a total of 12 days of treatment.

But these would be the pharmaceuticals. These are the pharmaceuticals. And so what that's gonna do is that's gonna, by a drug mechanism, start to kill those. And what I'm doing with, and, and. The, what I've found is people do way better because that biofilm exists, and what will happen a lot of the times is I'll see people and when they come in and see me, they said, oh, I saw somebody.

I got treated. And then I came back, and then I got treated and came back, and then I'll, I'll sit and try to figure out when, when this happened. And I'll typically hear, like in your case, it's been like two years. Mm-hmm. I talk to people all the time. It's like, oh yeah, we had this, I've had this problem for eight years, 10 years, 15 years.

And so w it's super important to do this comprehensive approach where you're restoring the microbiome, you're breaking down that biofilm, and you're really comprehensively doing something. And so I and I, I, I started saying this to everybody. I said, we're gonna spend six months to a year and you're gonna go on kind of a, a healthier diet.

And it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be amazing, it's gonna be awesome. And not, not necessarily a healthier, because my diet was already healthy, but more like a diet that eliminates some of the fermentable compounds that while healthy, you know, such as the wonderful kimchi and sauerkraut we have in there in the refrigerator or such as, you know, things like, like apples or onions or garlic.

Like, like we're not vilifying those as being unhealthy, but saying that in the case where you have these type of issues going on, those are giving the bacteria highly fermentable compounds that they can use to, to multiply and grow, right? And then, then if they grow, then they're starting to release toxins that can have all kinds of side effects.

Uh, lipopolysaccharide that gets into your, it creates brain fog. And, and so we, people see people with kind of crazy things. And so I kind of approach it as this isn't the rest of your life. Next year you're gonna be able to. Kind of go out and have a great time and, and, and then even in the short term, let's say in the short term, we decide to go back to the Middle East, cuz I would super like to go there.

Then when, when we are eating that stuff, then we're gonna be prepared to be, cuz if we're chumming the water mm-hmm. With that, with that garlic, then what we're gonna do is, is we're gonna layer in a bunch of antimicrobials to kill. What we, what we brought out. We can also just do lamb roast checking on Zeki and still I'd be fine with a pretty good time.

I'd be fine with that. Yeah. Okay. So, so that's the parasite reset component, but then there are, there are a couple of other things that you throw in there for what I believe you call your GI reset and then like this cellular detox type of protocol. Right? So what, what, what happens is so many people are, they're toxic, not just at the level of the gut.

But they're toxic at the level of the cells. And so we're trying to help people basically detox at a cellular level. And so I have a, a, a protocol that uses the same glutathione, but then we're using, um, we're use, we're using a zeolite. It's a really small form of zeolite that helps shuttle toxins, including mycotoxins, but then also including um, metals.

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And metals. There's a, uh, can be a big situation for a lot of people. And so then now you start to shuttle and move toxins and metals out of the cell, and then it moves down a concentration gradient, and then it, they, it get moves to the liver and then gets pushed into the gut. And then once it gets pushed into the gut, then we give a binder.

And that binder, and we use four different binders in our binder binds onto all of those biological toxins. And one of the other things that it does is it binds onto those mold toxins. So now this is a real important part of this parasite thing, and this, this, I think, is gonna really make sense to you because those, the mold that is living in you.

Was making these mycotoxins, some of the mycotoxins are just staying in the intestine, and then some of the mycotoxins are getting into your bloodstream and we found 'em in your urine. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, the situation with that is, is if I give you a binder that binds onto that and mops all of that up, and if I do that, then it's just gonna get, get pooped out.

In that poop, that's the sides of your biceps. Mm-hmm. And then that's gonna, once I take that away, then your immune system isn't facing those mycotoxins all the time. And so then your immune system is gonna stop making antibodies to mycotoxins. Gotcha. Now, so a binder is real important. Now there's a bunch of different binders.

There's, so there's some that just use bamboo that I like, and it tends to be clean, but it's not very powerful. Some people like Cholestyramine, that's a resin. The problem with cholestyramine is cause a lot, a lot of constipation. And so I've got this clean binder, clean cell detox, so we're starting to shuttle things out and then grab those mycotoxins and pull them out while in parallel we're breaking down biofilms, killing everything in there, and then resetting and repopulating your, your, your microbiome.

Amazing. I've got a thing for pandas, by the way, so I would've preferred the bamboo approach, but I get your logic. Okay. I like pandas. Yeah. Kung fu panda walks Is is Kung Fu Panda the greatest animation movie of all time. Mm. It's, it's, it's pretty good, but not as good as the old school panda joke or the panda walks into the bar and, uh, and he, he, he saunders up to the bartender and he says, uh, I'll have a, have a, uh, shout at tequila bartender.

And so the bartender can get, you know, hands over, slides across the counter of the tequila and the, the, uh, the panda throws back the tequila. And then he whips out a revolver and he starts blasting around the room. People are ducking right and left, and he's shooting up the bar and shooting the bottles, and shit's breaking all over the place.

And then he stands up, saunters back out of the bar. And, uh, the bartender kind of comes up from behind the counter, like, and, and he looks down at the guy who's, who's down the, down the other end of the bar who's sitting there watching the whole thing. He says, what in the hell just happened? And the guy, uh, the guy down at the other end of the bar, he says, You ever look up a panda and the encyclopedia, the bartender says no.

And the guy says, Panda eats, shoots and leaves.

Anyhow, so So you got the cell detox. That's amazing. Yeah, that's a good joke. He's got the cell detox. I love, I love that. I love that. And um, so then the next thing is energy reset. Okay. Now it energy reset. So, so far I've got parasite reset, we have cellular detox, we have GI Reset. Yeah. And now we get to energy reset.

And, and this may be like the biggest thing that people come to me for, because so many people come with low energy fatigue and, and they're coming because they're interested in N E D and they're interested in trying to figure out ways to improve their energy. And a lot of people have heard about N E D and so, uh, what we have is a product called fuel.

Okay. And what N Fuel is, is, is has something that drives the salvage cycle that allows you to reuse n a D in your body. And that's combined with trimethylglycine and trimethylglycine. It has to do with methylation. So if you want to dig into this, we can a little bit, but what I, I've actually discussed this on other podcast episodes before, and essentially in short, when you're using N A D or supplementing with N A D or getting N A D IV or injection or anything like that, you're upregulating these methylation pathways pretty dramatically.

And so consuming a methyl donor like Trimethylglycine or Beane, Orine, methionine or something like that, when you're using N A D, will amplify the benefits of the N A D. Exactly. Exactly. Now see, I paid attention in class. That's good. That's really, really good. Now do, do you want to, do you want to digress on that for a second?

Because go, go for it. It's amazing. There's a guy named Man, suer Muhammad, who I'm working with. Yeah. He's, he's been on the podcast before you guys, his DNA evaluation. I just finally convinced my dad to test his, cause my dad was adopted and I've always wondered on my dad's side, like, you know, what's, what's going on genetically?

I wanna see, I want to know Uhhuh. I finally connected my dad with Monsour Uhhuh and, and they're doing it, I think they did a genetic test last week. Oh, okay. Perfect. Yeah. The, the, what's it called? The DNA company? It's his company. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll link to my podcast with him too, for those of you who wanna listen.

So, so this one's nuanced and, and interesting because when you drive n a D then. Uh, what happens is, is it turns cell signaling on and then it does like 50 different things. And in the, the process of doing all those things, you need to use a lot of methyl groups. And so it uses up a lot of our methyl groups.

And so tmg Trimethylglycine is, is, has the least side effects and is the easiest one to kind of onboard people with. Now what Mansour discovered is, is that, and this kind of goes into one of the things that I'm really thinking about within trauma and PTSD in the brain, which we'll get into later, is, is that he can look at the how dopamine works in your brain.

And then he can look and see how you metabolize dopamine. Does it hang out for a long time or a short time? Do you have a lot of dopamine receptors or a small amount of dopamine receptors? And then he can look at how th methyl donors can affect dopamine, and it'll totally affect you differently depending on how long dopamine hangs out.

Um, uh, for example, when you give samami, so some people can tolerate samami super well, like, I feel amazing. And so that's an amazing methyl donor for me. Whereas some people get real anang anxious and fidgety because of their, their, their genetics. And so then the, the whole genetic kind of interplay is kind of an interesting thing.

But what we discovered is, is we said we're gonna put nmn, which, uh, is I think the best, uh, n a d uh, driver. Which is why we call it nav fuel. And then we combine that with tmg and then we combine that with cell reset. And, and what that is is that has resveratrol and it has a whole bunch of sirtuin activators and a whole bunch of mitochondrial activators.

And that is basically the fuel to, to drive mitochondrial biogenesis i e making more mitochondria, and then also helping your mitochondria stay healthy. And then while we do that, the higher levels of N A D are gonna have an effect on the nucleus. Mm-hmm. They're gonna have an effect on sirtuins, they're gonna have an effect on DNA repair, and they're gonna have an effect on all of your detox pathways.

The other thing that NA D does, and I wanted to kind of talk to you about this. N a D, everybody hears about N A D, but let me tell you this. This is amazing. N a D is in a cycle and it's constantly being converted into N A D H. So the oxidized form is N A D. Mm-hmm. And the reduced form is N A D H. Right. So then in our free pool, we want about a 700 to one ratio, because if we have a A N A D two, N A D H.

Yeah. Yeah. And so if we have a high amount of N A D, we can drive oxidation. Mm-hmm. And then what that does is that keeps us to have a high charge on our membrane, which allows us to get a lot of stuff done. And that's either on the membrane, in the cell, or in the membrane, in the mitochondria where our electron transport chain exists.

So that's part one. Part two is we have N A D P H, we'd like to have that in the reduced form because it drives antioxidants. And so then you begin to see that in our body, we're constantly driving oxidation to keep our batteries super strong and to drive signaling. But then we're also driving antioxidant pathways.

It's kinda like a yin and yang thing, and we're driving them in parallel together. And then as that happens, then the N E D drives our ability to oxidize sugar. Mm-hmm. And turn that into energy in the electron transport chain. And so in our cell reset, we also put in coq 10 because that's the final electronic acceptor, and allows you to do that.

Now then what I do is I have all kinds of people who come to see me and I put them on IV N Id. And I V N A D if you haven't had, is probably one of the most transformative things in terms of resetting Yeah. Cognition and, and, and life in general. But what I found is, is when I start to put people on these protocols before I start to reset their pathways, and then when people come in to see me, I give them, uh, I give them this stack and it helps their body utilize n a d better.

And so then they, they have a more functional experience when they go through the process. Okay, got it. So that's the cell reset component is you combine the n a D fuel with the, with the cell. Uh, with, what's it called? Cell reset. Cell reset. Okay. And then you also have two other things that you throw into this mix.

So now I've got energy reset, GI reset, cell detox, and parasite reset. And then you also have mineral reset mineral and sleep as the last two. Yeah. Then the mineral resets easy and that one, and I use the Kenton. Um, uh, sea Minerals. Right. And I've, I've talked a lot about those before that they're amazing.

Oh my gosh. And so we just do the hypertonic, which, although I pronounce it Quinton, but it's Q u i n t o n for those of you looking for it. I, how do you say it, Quinton? How did I say it? Quinton? I think Quinton. Quinton. Yeah. You know what, we're from Montana, Idaho, so, so probably every, probably everybody else is more right than us.

Mm-hmm. But you're probably more right than me. Yeah. Well, I've, I've, I've progressed from my Rocky Mountain accent to more of a French flyer, Uhhuh, so I'm gonna go with Quinton. Nice. Okay. I'm gonna take that sophisticated, I'm gonna take that. The, um, the, the French I love, I, I went to France and I love being in France, but I kept accidentally speaking in Spanish and I got in more trouble than it's a Latin route.

It's close, but, so, um, So, so then the, the hyper and the reason we I'm doing the minerals is people seem to be real depleted in minerals. And then if you end up getting in a, in, in, in a situation like what we're talking about with you, I'm gonna have you taking some binders because I want you to bind onto those toxins.

But the binders bind onto minerals as well. And so if I replace those with minerals, that's real helpful. Okay. Gotcha. So people aren't getting mineral depleted when they're on, all while they're going through this protocol. Yeah, that makes sense. And, okay. And so then that's a, that's a super easy one. And then the, if you said, What's the most common complaint that people have when they come in?

Uh, other than brain fog and low energy, I would say that it's, it's sleep. Mm-hmm. And so we, we, there's, we got two products. One that kind of helps you go to sleep that has a little melatonin and, and CBD and gaba, and then one that helps you stay asleep. And the idea, it was, the idea is, is that you keep that by your bed.

And so if you wake up in the middle of the night, you don't wanna take the, an extra melatonin and CP D because you may be a little bit hungover in the morning. Right. And so then what you do is you just have, just which you've experienced, which I've experienced. So then you just take the, a little bit of the gaba and that will help you stay asleep.

Okay. If you, if you, if you wake, if you took C b D, uh, and you were a little bit too sleepy in the morning, then one of, one thing that can relieve that right away is, is uh, uh, lemon. Seems to, I, I'll, I'll, I'll squeeze, uh, half a lemon. Yeah, it's a Li Moline. You can also use lemon essential oil if you want more concentrated.

Source of, of Li Moline. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yep. So you have it. Yeah. Um, okay. You are smarter than I thought. So that's, that's the, that's the sleep, the sleep reset. You're essentially using C b D with, with, uh, like a gaba, like a inhibitory neurotransmitter and the inhibitory neurotransmitter or something. You'd also take if you wake up during the night.

Right. Okay. That is a pretty comprehensive protocol. There are probably some docs listening in who are also taking notes, but I know there are also all these, you know, self quantifying, biohackers out there listening in who are gonna be trying to, you know, whatever, order this stuff off Amazon, find it, you know, kind of piece together their own protocol, I would imagine is, is some of this stuff things that you would only get through your physician or through obviously the pharmaceuticals, unless folks are using some kind of an online.

You know, overseas pharmacy, which is quite dangerous, but I know people do stuff like that. Like how important is it to have this stuff overseen and, and how, how much emphasis do you place on retesting as you go? And finally, sorry, sorry for all the questions, but how, how, how many docs know this? Like how many docs are gonna do stuff like this?

So I think the most important thing is to start low and go slow. So we kind of started casually just, you called me at like 11 o'clock at night. And so then we're just kind of chatting. And so then I started with some simple GI stuff, and then we're building in the protocol. And, and the key thing is, is not to try to do all of it right away at the same time, because if you do that, sometimes you get a big detox reaction.

It's too much and it's kind of overwhelming. Uh, my, my goal of putting this together and kind of putting out a framework of understanding the prebiotic components, the biofilm busting components, the killing components, and being able to wrap all of that out into kind of a, a structure that you can think about is going to allow people to start to biohack themselves a little bit.

Mm-hmm. And so most of these, all of these supplements are gonna be things that you're gonna be able to get yourself mm-hmm. In terms of, and, and one thing you could do is you could do all of this and you be fine. As 1.0. Mm-hmm. If that doesn't work, then you can start to go onto the, to like taking antimicrobials and stuff like that.

Right. Um, uh, but I think it's important to have. If you don't have any experience with this to have somebody kind of coach you, because often there's one, somebody could be thinking they're doing amazing mm-hmm. And they're doing all of this stuff, but they're eating onions all day. Just because somebody told 'em to eat onions, they didn't know that one thing.

Right. And so putting, kind of having a comprehensive protocol around it, and interestingly the, the synergy of this stuff is, for example, if you get your energy working and your N A D. Uh, levels up that really drives the ability of your immune system to start to work better. And so, mm-hmm. As, as you put the different pieces of this together, everything helps.

Everything else. If you're sleeping better, your immune system starts to work better. And you've been doing almost all of this, but once we get it kind of dialed in, we're gonna heal your gut. And then that's your, then now we've kind of taken away your number one Achilles heel. Yeah. And so then you're like, my confidence that you're gonna do amazing is super high.

Amazing. Amazing. Alright you guys, so I'm gonna gonna take a, a brief pause here and, and, and summarize for you, uh, that in addition to everything that we've just gone through, What I'd like to do if your game, Matt, is, are, would you be willing to take like, uh, like a PDF of this or something like that?

Could we, could we put it in the show notes? Oh, yeah, yeah. People could see this like the same PDF you sent to me. We, we could do something like post that. Yeah. Okay. So we'll, we'll put a p of this who, for those of you who wanna review or maybe even show it to your doctor, um, if you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset.

And, um, and that lot, some resources. The other, the other thing, if you're a doc and we kind of teach people how to do this, is it works a million times better for me if I have a PDF like this. So it's super organized and I give it to people and then they know exactly what they're supposed to do. And, and the knowledge is power.

And the, the better you communicate this, the better. The outcome's gonna be. Okay. Got it. So I, I want to ask you about some other things while I have as a captive audience at my kitchen table because, uh, there are some other cool things that you're doing. Uh, particularly probably the, the three that I think would be the highest priority for us to, to outline for people on the podcast is a, you had an amazing story you shared with me about how you, you've helped men who have erectile dysfunction and sexual performance issues and, and kinda like how you're approaching that now.

So I'd love to hear about that. I'd love to hear about any updates on what you're doing with PTSD and trauma. You know, we've talked about ketamine and things like that in previous episodes, but kinda wanna hear a little update on that. And then finally I wanna feel focusing on ozone dialysis. Oh, cool.

You, you gave to go into those three. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. So walk, walk me through the, the sexual performance piece and what you're doing now for that. So the 1.0 is, is you, you know, you heard about Gaines Wave and you heard about the P shot. I like to break down. If you think about sexual performance, I break it down into five categories.

So category one is people have no problem. Mm-hmm. They're working great. Category two is this a small problem, but if you do something, all of a sudden it's working. So it's a small problem, but if you take Viagra, the direction's perfect, uh, category. Um, three is, is that if your heart on is not good, and if you take Viagra, it's a little bit better, but it's still not fully hard.

Category four is, is that no matter what you take in terms of phospho, decease type of drugs, nothing happens. Okay. Now then, Within category four, some of what what urologists will do is they'll start to give people things that they can inject into their penis. Mm-hmm. And so the first one that they inject is you do realize I'm known as the penis guy now on the internets because I've done these injections and I, I have yet to live down the, the idea of me gallivanting around the globe injecting stem cells into my dick Uhhuh.

Yeah. So you cut up a worse feel a lot better by being a certified physician on the podcast episode. Now actually saying that this stuff is okay. Yeah, it is. Okay. All right. So then a category four is, what happens is a lot of times the urologist will give something called Bix. Mm-hmm. And what, what, that's an injectable that will help guys get a hard on.

Uh, people will do that and then that will stop to work, and then they'll be in category five, and then they'll be doing something called Trimix. Mm-hmm. Which is even more powerful, but it creates a lot of scarring and hardness in the, in the penis. Okay. And then, I guess you could say category six is they're taking, they took Bix, Trimix, Viagra, and nothing worked, and they don't have any hard on, and they're at the end of the road.

Mm-hmm. And so, uh, oh, I didn't, I didn't realize guys were going through all of that, all of that. So, so they're, they're doing everything from injections to Viagra to different pharmaceuticals, on and on. And you are still seeing people who have erectile dysfunction and sexual performance issues even after all that.

Yeah. Wow. So one of my, uh, a a, a dear friend of mine who's a doctor, uh, who's engaged to a lovely woman who's 30 years younger than him, um, uh, comes in and he's in category six. And so did all of this stuff and was doing, uh, the ax and ax had bmax and Viagra had worked for a while, and then eventually that stops working.

And then so then he finally triax and then that stops working. So he came in and he said, I just came in to say hi, cuz I just wanted to have a conversation with you. But, um, I just wanted to see who I should go get my, my penile implant from. Mm-hmm. Because I'm gonna get pen penile implant implant. Wow.

That's the, that's, that's the, that's the end of the road. That's the end of the road, yeah. And basically what they do is they tunnel a pump in and it's plastic, and then they put something that's inflatable in the penis and then you pump it up and it gets hard. Or they, they can put a silicone one in. But interestingly, I've never seen a, uh, It's very common whenever you put implants into the body for, for them to be contaminated.

And Andrew Campbell will talk a lot about this with breast implant illness where, uh, if people have mycotoxins and a lot of chronic infections, a lot of times those mycotoxins will start to affect implants. So this guy didn't really wanna get an implant, but he was at the end of the road. And so then it kind of is, it's kind of amazing.

So what I started to do shockwave therapy, and then I started to do the p shot. And, and interestingly, one thing that I figured out is, uh, and if people want to come and learn how to do this, I'll show 'em. I started using ultrasound when I do my p shot. And, and then I can look into the platelet rich plasma shot into the penis using ultrasound guided imaging.

Yeah. Because there's a little tiny artery in the penis. And what I do is I, I look and I can, when I put my needle in, I avoid sticking my needle into that artery. Good. That was good thinking. Good, good thinking. So, so then, and, and, and what happened right off the bat is when I first started treating him, and I've got a whole bunch of people, like a ton of people in this category, of guys in their seventies and eighties when I first saw it as penis, looked like it was a hundred years old.

It was gray and super hard cuz there wasn't much blood flow. And it was all scarred up from all the triax he had Yoda, Dick, Yoda dick. Yeah. That's an, that's trademark tm.com. Uh, and but you know what we need to do? W we need, we are in the process of turning that from Yoda dick into. Skywalker, Dick, baby, Yoda Dick.

Oh, baby Yoda. Okay. Uh, is baby. We, we, I think Baby Yoda may be like the greatest character of the last 12 months. But anyways, so, um, so then it started to look better, but it still wasn't working. Mm-hmm. Which is kind of interesting. And so then what I started doing is I started doing something super amazing called hydro dissection, where I would use my ultrasound and I would look at the penile nerves that are on the top of the penis.

Mm-hmm. And then I would go in with my needle and I surrounded those, those nerves. With peptides. And so I surrounded the nerves on the top of the penis with BPC 1 57 and thymosin beta four. Now, those peptides are the same peptides that you've used obviously for systemic treatment. Right. But I found out they work for joints, for inflammation cetera.

They work great and I use them in, I use them in hydros, dissection and other areas in in protocols with omex and exosomes and stem cells. But I started hydros dissecting the penile nerves, and then when I did that, all of a sudden he started getting hardons again. So he started getting spontaneous hardons, and I've done this with other people, and that's been working.

Then what I said is, In addition to doing some exosome pea shots, I said, let's start doing some peptides that have a, a sexual effect. And one of them is PT 1 41. And so this is a injectable peptide that you can give yourself that will help with, uh, erectile function. And it, it is interestingly, it really helps women for sexual performance as well.

And so I have a lot of couples who come, who, who both wanna do something. And so then what I'll do is I'll, I'll do similar therapies for both of 'em, and then I'll give 'em both the, the peptides and, and I'm, it's not perfect, but each time I treat him, it's lasting longer and longer and longer. And he's, and he's having like the, the other day, I, I said like, how, how's it going?

He goes, ah, it's not perfect. And I was like, well, how long is your heart on lasting? I was like, not. Oh, he gives us a sprint. I go, oh, how long is the sprint? He goes, half hour. So I go, I'm taking that as a win. That's not bad. And so then, so then, but just, and, and I think that I'm getting kind of another 10% better at this every couple weeks.

Mm-hmm. Because we're starting to stack these protocols. But what it begins to show you is, is that through targeted use of regenerative medicine and synergistically thinking about peptides, re. Exosomes and, and different things. And then it just, like, whether we're talking about a joint or a penis, you wanna address the nerves.

Addressing the nerves is just as important as addressing everything else. Mm-hmm. And, and so, so I'm wildly excited about it. Yeah. The, the nerve hydro dissection, it's absolutely amazing. I mean, I've, I've been down there in the clinic with you and, and seen people with like severe elbow pain and hand pain and issues completely related to simply moving a nerve around a little bit.

And then doing, like you do with the placental matrix and the exosomes literally walk out of there completely pain free. It's not That's amazing. Yeah. I, I can't believe how much that protocol in of itself flies under the radar. Uh, but then there there's another one that you do that, that I had done the last time.

That was your clinic That absolutely blew my socks off. And that was ozone dialysis. Can you tell people what that is? Right. Uh, so. So ozone dialysis, what is a is a, a, a form of ozone, and so there's a variety of ways to do ozone. Uh, the traditional way that, uh, most people have, may have heard about is something called major auto hemotherapy, where, uh, about 200 ccs of blood is taken out of the body and some ozone is mixed with it.

And, and then it, the ozone mixes with the blood and then it goes back in. Mm-hmm. That would, that would be like a, like a 10 pass ozone. That'd be like a one pass. That'd be a one pass. Okay. If you do that 10 times, that's called the 10 pass. Now, then there's the next evolution of this. Is, is that you can take blood out and then you run it through a dialysis filter, which pulls out a lot of toxins and so it's a huge detox.

Same thing as you use for like a kidney dialysis, for example. Yeah. But then at the same time as you do that, you mix ozone in and ozone then ozonate the blood. And uh, we have suction coming off. So it pulls off and it is a incredible detox, but it creates a process where about half the blood in your body gets ozonated.

And interestingly ozones, antiviral, antibacterial, anti parasite and antifungal. And then the other thing that ozone does is ozone forms, lipid peroxides with fats and your blood. And then those lipid peroxides then dissolve into the cell. And then those lipid peroxides drive oxidation reduction reactions.

Now, what else drives oxidation reduction reactions? N a D. Mm-hmm. And so the concept is, is that ozone can convert N A D H back into n A d Mm. And so it begins to optimize n a d levels while helping you find infections. Now, I like, I like kind of the big sexy kind of procedurally based stuff, and, and that's kind of fundamentally where I, where I came to medicine from.

But what I found is I fundamentally think that that's not the solution. The solution is fun, functional medicine, because if I don't have all of that dialed in, It's it, then the, the big sexy reboot is not gonna last. And so it, when you came and did it, you felt like a million bucks. Yeah. Because what that did is you were sleeping in the locker room on your melatonin suppository, and I was out crushing the air died.

You're you're crushing it. Yeah. Because what was happening is I had killed a whole bunch of the bacteria that were part of your biofilm and, and I'd, I'd kind of reset your intestine. And so then as a result, you weren't dealing with that and that's how you should be a hundred percent of the time. But for me to, and if I had that protocol, I would treat you a bunch of times and you would do great, but that protocol's not gonna heal your GI stuff.

Mm-hmm. And so then if I step back and I have a full comprehensive functional medicine approach to healing the gut, then what's gonna happen is you're gonna do five times more amazing with Yeah. Dialysis, that's kinda stuff is like the icing on the cake. Are there, are there many doctors right now doing ozone dialysis that you're aware of?

No, there's not that many of us, but I'm, I'm the worldwide trainer for it, so I'm gonna be training a lot of people. So if a doc's listening in, they wanna learn more about it. They could go to your website and contact you and we're gonna teach 'em learn how to do it. Or if somebody wants their doctor to learn how to do it, they could connect their doctor to you.

Yeah. Yeah. Which, yeah, you surprisingly, Like that happens to me now all the time. A lot of people come with their doctor. Mm-hmm. And so they literally flat your clinic in San Jose and they bring their doctor with them. Yeah. Wow. It was amazing. And what happens is, like they always didn't know, like 10 things that I don't know.

Mm-hmm. So like, you know this and I'll be like, no. And so then I'll then, so you are learning at the same time. I learn as much. I, I, I feel like I almost learned as much as, as, as anytime somebody comes, I learn the same amount that they do. Yeah. Which is Soma, which is why we're getting a little bit better every week.

Right. And that, that's the way I feel about my life, by the way, is, uh, like the conversation that we're having. I have two of these every week for the past 12 years. Amazing. And I just get to sit here and learn from amazing people and like, it, I just feel incredibly blessed because like half sure. I, I read a lot of books and you know, and, and I've done a lot of university coursework, but a big part of what I learned is just sitting here and chatting in the cats like you on the show.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Um, That'd be the, a good name for a podcast. Cats like you, cats like you or, or, or a song or a, we'll, we'll tackle that later. But, but so then, so then now I can do that either through a dialysis filter or through a plasmapheresis filter. Mm-hmm. Plasmapheresis creates more separation of the plasma component of the, um, of the blood.

And that's where all the antibodies are. Mm-hmm. And so, but, but I also get a lot of, uh, it seems to really reset antibody levels. And remember you were super mold toxic with a whole bunch of mold antibodies. So now as I start to run your blood through a filter, And I start to pull out those antibodies.

Mm-hmm. Now that is an immune reset. Yeah. So then I've got that going on now that's 1.0. And so I've got those two ways to sort of reset your plasma. The other way that I have to reset your plasma is that I can, I can do what's traditional plasma exchange where we take and we, we actually pull a large amount of plasma mm-hmm.

Off, which has all the antibodies. And when we replace that with allin, and so there are protocols where I start to do a series of either ozone dialysis, Ozone plasmapheresis or traditional plasma exchange. Mm-hmm. And we're doing all of these and studying that and, and what I'm finding is ozone dialysis is so incredibly anti infectious and it's just a safe, super easy, almost nobody detoxes.

So for example, I had a whole bunch of people who had Lyme who were not working and came in and they started to do the 10 pass or an eight pass plus all my other IVs of N A D that I give them. And I had a whole bunch of people who were coming once a week, and if they came once a week and got my iv, they could work.

But if they didn't come once a week, they were home in bed. Then I started doing ozone dialysis for all those people. And they all laugh and, and rib me when they come in and they go, guess what? I only come here like every other month now, or I only come every six weeks because ozone dialysis lasts about five or six times longer.

Wow. Than a regular ozone. And that's because I'm detoxing and pulling a bunch of things out. At the same time that I'm doing ozone and the ozone seems to be in contact. So I get a a, a better oz amount of ozone mixing and I'm able to do it at lower ozone levels than with the 10 pass. So we love the 10 pass and when we, when we start people, we'll start with high dose ozone therapy, but we'll start with a one pass, go to a two pass, go to a three pass, and very gently work up just like our approach to GI reset.

Mm-hmm. And then once that whole thing is working, then we'll do ozone dialysis. And then we'll move on to plasma exchange. With plasma exchange, pretty much being the closest you could get to replicating something kind of like PARABIOSIS or, or like a young blood transfer. Like you're kind of achieving something a little bit similar with that.

Yeah. Well not, not really, but, but plasma exchange, I'm just, plasma exchange is just pulling off all of the toxicity. Mm-hmm. That's in the plasma. And then replacing that with albumin. Mm-hmm. Now, the interesting thing about that is, is that albumin is a scavenge. And so then if I'm replacing with albumin, that's gonna bind on to a bunch of toxins and then if I do another one, I'm gonna pull that out.

Right. So then the parabiosis thing is the concept of doing, taking. Umbilical, either young, i e like 18 year old. Mm-hmm. Plasma or from an actual donor. From an actual donor or umbilical cord plasma. Mm-hmm. And so that's the kind of the parabiosis thing. I've done that to myself and it's, it, it's sort of insanely amazing.

Mm-hmm. But, uh, we're not, we're not doing that and, and Right, right now, and, but we're, we're, we're setting up kind of overseas to be able to do, to, to do that component of it. What I can tell you is in France. In France, perfect. In France. Like the French government's, like, who are you? You don't, but like, it's okay.

Speak Spanish. It's all good. I'll, I'll speak Spanish and then he won't know what I'm saying. So, but the, the interesting, the super interesting thing about this is, is that if I detox you really, really well, Okay, that's the best time to put a good input in. Mm-hmm. And so if I do ozone dialysis, if I do ozone plasmapheresis, or if I do plasma exchange or plasmapheresis, then after, right?

When we're done with that, I've really taken all the toxicity out, reset your antibodies. And so that's an amazing time to do something that has a systemic regenerative effect on the body, whether that be a peptide, whether that be exosome, whether that be young blood, whether young plasma or umbilical or plasma.

And so then, uh, but even then, Still, I'd rather, I'd rather get the whole functional medicine and get your cells working, get your cells detoxing. Mm-hmm. And then now you begin to see there's a comprehensive approach to approaching all of your biochemistry. Got it. I, by the way, I get the equivalent of a young blood transfer almost every day because I hang out with two 11 year old boys.

Yes. That, that keeps you young too. They're the greatest. Something to be said for hanging out with, with children, for keeping you young. Um, okay. I've got two more pretty important topics. A uh, what you're doing with, uh, PTs D and trauma. I know we've been going for a while now, but I, I just wanna hear if there's any updates, cuz we've talked already in the past and I'll link to these other episodes about how you reset the vagus nerve and how you do things like, like ketamine.

But is there, is there anything new that you're doing for ptsd? For trauma? Yeah, so, so we will use ketamine, we'll do the vagus nerve, hydro dissection or the still had ganglion block. Mm-hmm. And I'm basically turning the fight or flight nervous system off. Mm-hmm. And then kind of resetting it or, or using ketamine.

But I'm kind of sitting and talking to people and having a kind of a conversation like this. And what I started doing was talking people through. How my, my feeling of how the fight or flight or the rest and relaxed nervous system relate to the limbic system. And so what I like to say is, if you're in fight or flight, then the dominant emotions that you use in that situation are either fear or anger, which are amazing.

Cuz if the, if the house is on fire, then those are some good emotions that we can use to help get everybody out of the house, right? If we're not in fight or flight and we're in rest and relaxed, then what we have is the entire limbic system. And so we have the entire, um, the entire nuance of all of our emotions to be able to modulate and handle things.

And so then what I'll do is I'll, I'll, I'll, um, I'll talk people through what it's like to be in that state and I'll kind of channel what I, how I, I feel when I'm in rest and relax. And typically how I feel is like just super resilient and safe. Mm-hmm. And calm and comfortable. Mm-hmm. And so then I'll kind of talk through and I'll say like, you know, I may, I was late.

I, I, you know, cuz whatever, we're running late today and so if you were upset about that, I'm totally fine. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm sorry if, if something was wrong or no matter how uncomfortable it would be, if I'm in rest and relaxed, I can totally receive that feedback. Mm-hmm. And so then I'll kind of explain, I'll explain that to them and then I'll just kind of hang out and start to talk people through their trauma in the rest and relaxed state.

And I've just found, and then in parallel to that, then what I'll do is I'll give them N a d. Mm-hmm. N a D's starting to turn their brain on. And so we're talking and having this conversation and I've done the cell reset stuff, and so we're giving, their methyl systems are working, their n a D systems are working and they're sort of, and so all of a sudden as that happens, people will start to turn on their limbic system.

And so I'll just sit and kind of talk and I'll be like, and all, and, and what I notice is as I do this, then they go into that. State. And then while I'm doing it, I'm kind of telling 'em stories and I'm playing music, and so we're like singing songs. That's ridiculous. Yeah. That's what I love about your clinic is you show up and there's like country music and there's singing and there's like, what I like about this too is it's a, it's, it's kind of like talk therapy combined with tweaking the biochemistry using things like n a d or, or ketamine or things like this.

You're essentially making someone almost be completely parasympathetically activated at the same time, increasing energy levels and focus so people can talk through a lot of these issues while they're at your clinic. Right. And so y and I like to talk about kind of whatever happened like in the last week.

Mm-hmm. And so I had like my favorite couple that I've met like in a while come in and, you know, they walked in and they were better dressed than me. I was like, this is a great sign. And I kinda had a sense, uh, there's no problems. Everything's gonna be perfect. And they were like, you know, we just kind of wanted to talk a little tiny bit about PTSD and we, we were fully kind of in this kind of amazing state.

And so then sh you know, then it kind of got to be her turn and she starts telling me about this unbelievable sexual abuse that started, but like at, at age three. Wow. And it was, it was so amazing. Cuz what I wanted to do was start crying when I heard the story. But then I just kind of like kept talking and I would kind of explaining kind of the rest and relax thing.

And then what I do is I start talking about boundaries. Mm-hmm. And having your own boundaries. And, and, and I kind of, I do all those play acting where I kind of pretend like I have a little bubble around me and they have a bubbler on them. And, and it's the best too, cuz her husband's there. Mm-hmm. And what happens is, guess what they were here for was the whole to, to do the, all these sexual injections and stuff like that for healing.

Mm-hmm. And so then what, uh, happens is by being in that rest and relaxed state, and then what I did is I gave him ketamine, but at an extremely low dose. And so it has this psycholytic effect where next thing you know, we're kind of talking and I, and I start to say, oh, like how does we start to practice what it feels like to be safe and have boundaries and kind of like stuff?

And so then she, at the end, she goes, You know, I felt only a tiny bed. I'm not sure how what happened. And then the next day she goes, she comes in, she goes, I had a dream and I forgave everyone in my family. Wow. And, and, and she goes, I just, I just hope that this could help someone else. And I go, you know what?

I'm going on Ben Greenfield's podcast. I'm gonna tell him about this. Because what I feel like is all of the stuff that we're talking about, you can, you can get into this rest and relaxed state mm-hmm. Where you can kind of receive and, and be kind of in a calm state. You can be with your partner and, and kind of be in that state together and support each other and kind of support healthy boundaries.

And then you can do all of this stuff. So you can turn your n a D on, you can turn these pathways on. And then what I, what I tell people is I tell people that, And, and I, I, I've been doing this too on the PTSD stuff, which works like amazing. As I say, I'm kinda like your mar your Martin Scorsese. Mm-hmm.

I'm producing this thing, but I'm not too attached to whatever happens. Mm-hmm. And I know it's gonna be kind of entertaining and I'm gonna support you. And, and, and that's kind of my boundary cuz I'm not gonna be too worried if it doesn't work. Cuz I say it's probably, if it doesn't work this time, it's gonna work for sure next time.

Mm-hmm. And then that kind of mindset, uh, what I'm seeing is l people, everybody with PTSD is getting better now. And so what happens is, and I just want people who are out there to, to feel a sense of hope. Like did I tell you about the guy, my Uber driver? Uh, this is the greatest. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to me in my life.

I went to a, a conference in, uh, where I was teaching and I get in the Uber and the guy goes, I. Who are you? I go, I'm just a doctor in Gwyneth's meeting. And he goes, what do you do? And I go, and I told him I did had to do section. He goes, are you Dr. Cook? I go, yeah. He goes, I've been listening to your podcast cuz I have PTSD and I know that I, I'm gonna get better.

And I go, and so then I, he goes, I've been saving money to come see you. And so then I gave him a super But he heard you on my podcast or? Yeah. Oh, okay. I gotcha. And so he, he was just saving money to come in. Yeah. Wow. And so then I, I said, come in and I, I gave him a super discount and gave him a stellar Gangland blog and ketamine and everything.

But I'm, I just, I'm probably more passionate about that than anything in my life because it's just, I feel like it's gonna heal the world. And, and people have the ability to kind of heal themselves more than they realize. Wow, so many cool things, amazing that you're doing. It's amazing. You guys who are listening in, you now know why, why Dr.

Cook is, is one of my favorite physicians. I just love the blend of the science and the wisdom. And one other thing that we would be remiss not to mention, because by the time this podcast comes out, oh my God, it's probably gonna be ready to hit the streets. Oh my God, the most. How have you buried the lead?

First time ever? You absolutely buried the lead. I don't know what you mean. I think you're gonna talk about the band. I'm gonna talk about the band. The, the bearing. The, the idea is if you bury the lead Yeah. Uh, you, we should have led with that. Yeah. But we're, we're, do we We have it all the way at the end.

We have it all the way at the end. So, uh, Matt and I, Matt and I have, have formed a band together, so Matt Lu, to sing country music. I love to sing country music. We love old school, Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash and, uh, and, and, uh, and, and Waylon Jennings and all, all these folks who, who Matt's singing in his clinic.

And I dink around with all my guitar. So we actually recorded an album for you guys. We recorded a three song set down in LA in this, this amazing recording studio. And I think the music's ready for you guys for free. You're absolutely free. You can listen to Matt and I sing old school favorites like cowboys like us, and a ring of fire and, uh, what is it?

Rocky? Well, Rocky Roots. Well, Rocky Roots is the name of our band. Yeah, because Matt's from Montana. I'm from Idaho, so we both got roots in the Rocky Mountains. But we have a url, don't we? I think we got one. Yeah, do you remember what it is? Nope. I really hope it's rocky roots.com. I think it's rocky roots.com.

I'm not sure. So anyways, here's the deal, you guys. I'm gonna link to our album assuming it's ready in time, and I think it is gonna be out by the time this podcast is released. Any of you want to download our songs and listen to Matt and I singing together and making sweet, sweet country music together down in la.

You can go to the show notes for this episode, uh, ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset. And if you took nothing away from this, from SIBO to sex optimization, to ozone dialysis, to trauma, recess, to anything else, uh, you can at least entertain yourself with Matt. And I singing and playing to you, and just go to ben grateful fitness.com/gi reset, and we're gonna put our whole album up there for you guys, and you can share that with your friends.

Listen to it and, uh, enjoy. And, and you'll, you'll have to know that, like my dad, every time I talked to him, I told you this last night. Yeah. He goes, Matt, he, he, he's real serious. He's Maddy boy. That Ben Greenfeld can say. Thanks, dad. It's awesome. All right, well folks, wild ride once again with Dr. Cook and I just really, really hope that this is gonna be helpful for any of you who deal with gas bloating, who are interested in some of these more cutting edge regenerative medical concepts.

If you enjoyed the discussion, I'll link to all my other episodes, four other episodes with Dr. Cook. If you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/gi reset. Matt and I have a wonderful day plan. We'll probably go for a hike or a walk in the rain. We're gonna go hit a little farm to table restaurant in downtown Spokane.

We're gonna mess around with his, his ultrasound guided imaging equipment he brought up. And maybe we'll shoot some videos for you on, on Instagram too. If you go to to instagram.com/ben Greenfield Fitness, there's always some crazy stuff there for you as well. So, and then, and then we're gonna sing your kids to Sleep.

And we sing your kids to sleep all every night. Every night. So, um, Matt, thanks for doing this, man. Oh, thank you so much. All right, folks. Thanks for listening in and have an amazing, amazing week.

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