Ben Greenfield Podcast with Dr. Cook: Best Anti-Stress Tactics, Neurological Performance Tips & Much More

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You can always reach us at 650 888 7950. All right. I had the pleasure today of speaking with a multiple time repeat podcast guest. I'm gonna give him a secret. This is his sixth appearance on the show. This was a very unique episode though because it was pretty much us getting interviewed by my wife and uh, and, and someone who works with him who you'll also meet during the episode.

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That was like my favorite song. Hey, you guys, it was a great song. We, we are. We're actually recording this. This podcast episode has begun. How's everybody's date going, by the way, before I introduce each of you? Amazing. Feeling good? Yeah. Was this pretty amazing? Super. Yeah. Yes. Sun is out. Red lights. Little cold, crisp in the air.

Yep. Paul's coming. Matt, Dr. Matthew Cook, welcome to the podcast. That's awesome. What have you done to optimize your day thus far? Up here at the Greenfield compound? Is the best. I woke up and I did the biochar Oh, for 20 minutes while standing on the p EMF machine. And, uh, then I did red light, uh, and the nano v did a cold plunge, did a yogurt, yogurt retreat routine.

I can't speak. I did nai. And then, uh, we did a workout. I did a whole bunch of peptides. I did some other injections, um, drank, uh, several amazing, amazing cups of coffee. Mm. Um, did you poop yet? Uh, because that's a lot of stuff to do without pooping yet. I pooped, uh, three times. Okay, good. I'm just checking what time is it?

I'll make sure, make sure we don't have to stop this podcast. I was like, now, now it's three in the afternoon. If, if you get a little bit of a, and I'll be adjusting levels a little bit here as we go. Get a little, little popping on the mic. Uh, if you get a little turtle head poking out, you know, from all that, uh, realization that you've been doing all morning, just let me know and I can press pause on today's show.

So, of course, we're here with Dr. Matthew Cook, who has come up once again from Biocept Medical in San Jose to join not just me for yet another Rollicking podcast episode, which may be the least scientific episode we've ever recorded, but we are about to be put into the hot seat by a couple of hotties.

We also have Barb of Bio Reset Medical. Barb, how would you describe yourself to people? Uh, I'm the person that tries to make sure everything's working and everybody's happy. Whatever that takes. Whatever that takes. So, so you keep things running down there? Yeah. At your, at your guys' regenerative medicine facility in San Jose?

We actually, Jess and I went, we were gonna record this podcast actually when Jess and I visited San Jose. We were going to do exactly what you, the listener are about to hear, in which, uh, Jessa and Barb put Matt and I in the hot seat with a wide variety of questions. But we did not because, uh, we decided to, we had better things to do, do better things, particularly a kind of like a, a miniature retreat, getaway plant medicine journey, which Yeah, that's amazing.

Was was actually really nice. But it resulted in us not being able to podcast together and instead sitting cross laying on the living room floor for eight hours, having an amazing conversation, which was also good. Mm-hmm. So, uh, and then we have Jessa. Yeah. Mother of twin boys. Keeper of the greenfield household.

That's right. I hold the keys matriarch, queen holder of the keys. You look, you look lovely. You shall not pass unless you come through me. Babe. Babe, how many biochar sessions have you done this morning? I've done none. Any, any laser. Any laser lights? Nothing. Now we did all just get injected. Matt, what'd you just inject us with, dude?

Oh, we, that was a cerebral license, so, and, and what's cerebral license do? So it's a, it's a peptide that has a, um, a whole, it's a combination of a variety of different peptides. It's actually from pig brain. Oh, awesome. Um, sustainably harvested pig brain disease. You know, I've actually butchered a pig. Oh, you wanna know the size of a brain of a pig.

How big? Not even a quarter cup. Did you know that the size of your brain does not dictate your intelligence though? Well, although I'm just telling you that theirs is like, A quarter of a effect. They did autopsy, uh, Einstein's brain that is really surprising, did have a, a larger than normal amount of gray matter.

So it is possible that size does dictate intelligence to a certain extent, but pigs are not stupid animals. Mm-hmm. Neither are sheep. I used to think sheep were stupid then they are stupid. Just, and I grew up around them. Remember when we went bow hunting for sheep in Hawaii? Well, domesticated sheep are not smart.

No, but the wild sheep are, they're very smart. They have, they're their own version. Oh. They have their own like sentinel set up and they, they camouflage themselves better than a fricking elk. And they can see you coming like 500 yards away. And they, they set up in these different formations to escape intelligently as you approach with like, I've, I've hunted wild sheep for five days in a row and been unsuccessful before.

They're smart. Back to you, man. I ha I had actually, Barb, still a little traumatized from this, but when I bought my farm, I, I, uh, we had sheep and sheep, goats. They were like a cross between a sheep and a goat. And like they could jump across like a, they could jump across, yeah. A creek. Oh, I And sheep can't do that.

No. Yeah. And then, um, Which we were super pumped about. And then a lion came down and killed us. Oh, a mountain lion did? Yeah. Oh. But then, but it was still, it was like dead. And so then the, the, I was like, not gonna let that go to waste. So you ate, so then, yeah. Oh yeah. So then I cut the head off and then I, I literally roasted the entire head all day.

I'm surprised the mountain lion didn't take it. Did you harvest the cerebral lysine outta spray? Yeah. And then, and then it was, that was the, Single, like I roasted it, um, with herbs and stuff like that all day long. Was it good? And, and then, you know, like you've had like cheek Yeah, it was, and basically what you do is you would take the cheek out and then we would dip the cheek in the brain and it was, and it was, it was roasted and it was, it was still the greatest meal that I've ever had in, in my life.

That was, you did that. There, there are certain things that, that tend to be surprisingly good. Like when we were down at your house and we took the bone marrow bones and made what's called butter of the gods, where I smoked the bone marrow for. About an hour at about 200 degrees. And then for the last 10 minutes, covered it with grass-fed butter and a little salt and thyme and rosemary.

And then we put those on top of burgers and had had bone marrow on top of burgers, which is kinda like no map stories. It's, it's kinda like cheek on top of brain. These are, these are the, that's so good. These are the turkeys and cranberries of the wild animal kingdom that nobody's talking about. Yeah.

But anyways, back to cerebral ing. What's Yeah. And pig brain. What's, what's cerebral lysing from pig brain gonna do for us? Well, so, so, uh, some people use it to improve, you know, neurological or brain performance. I, I have quite a few people who, uh, I've been taken care of that have dementia and stuff like that, and people will, yeah.

I just got a text from somebody that said, oh, my wife is, uh, been enjoying herself more. She's, her memory's been a little bit better, thinking more clearly. And so there's a Oh cool. A, a lot of evolving protocols of taking care of people. Um, To, uh, fix bigger problems. The other thing that's, that's sort of interesting is, is that, uh, I injected it for you in and around where the nerves are, where you pulled, uh mm-hmm.

Your muscle mm-hmm. Where I pulled my muscles, do my polyps this morning. And so Interesting. A lot of times if you can just calm the nerves down and fix them and, and, and, and it seems to be really great for nerves, I'll, I'll use it for hydro dissection. Mm-hmm. So I'll put it around nerves and, um, and, and so I'm, I'm cautiously excited to see how you feel.

Uh, after the podcast I feel great, but probably cuz I'm smoking a pipe at 10:00 AM in the morning is really good. Tobacco, prior to everything else likes the laundry. I got cerebral lysine and nicotine, and then I made you guys a bone broth smoothie. Mm, that's amazing. Which, that's one of my favorite smoothies.

I use the ancient nutrition bone broth and then I, uh, I, for the liquid use the Kettle and Fire bone broth liquid, so it's got bone broth powder and bone broth liquid. And you, you do that all over ice. And then you add, uh, what I put in this morning's smoothie was, uh, colostrum, sea salt, stevia. Cinnamon and then you blend that all up.

Oh, and a little bit of cacao. That's right. Cuz we know cacaos a wonderful, wonderful herb, especially for a little morning blood flow. It's a bean a beam. Sorry. It's okay. And so you, you a high ate containing bean that everyone's gonna be concerned about now and then, um, this is the Truth and Reconciliation committee over.

That's right. There's more fact checking. Then you blend it all up and then we put things like coconut flakes, dark chocolate and some frozen berries. And you just kind of choose the toppings that you desire. So yeah, we, we had a good morning between cerebral lysine and a workout. All the little contraptions, the little bro boss smoothie.

And, and now, now we're about to jump into like, missing out podcasts. Yeah. Jess has done nothing. Jess has made, I just basically made half of dinner, drinking a cup of coffee. Um, okay, so, so here's the deal. And, and I'm gonna put all the show notes as well as the previous five podcast episodes I've done with Dr.

Cook on everything from, um, from, from SIBO to Nerve Hydro dissection to Ketamine. We've talked about so many things. And a link to all those previous podcast episodes. If you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/matt and Ben, that's ben greenfield fitness.com/matt and Ben, because today Matt and Ben. Speaking about myself and the third person.

Yeah. Again, narcissistically, well, well done. We're gonna get put in the hot seat. And what we have done is we have very selectively chosen, I mean, stolen 11 questions, 11 questions that Tim Ferris actually came up with and used for his book Tool of Titans, and also tends to ask many of his podcast guests quite frequently when he interviews them.

Um, Tim is a friend of mine, so I'm sure he's not going to get too litigious over me stealing some of his questions. But we thought we were gonna come up with all of our own questions for Jessa and Barb to ask Matt and I, and then we thought, you know what, Tim's already figured out some of the best questions to get.

Yeah. Just decent life advice from people. And, uh, so, uh, Matt and I have actually not really reviewed these questions aside from just finding, finding them, Tim's website, texting 'em to you guys. But we are ready to get to get put in the hot seat. And so you ladies can just. Fire away with, with whatever you'd like to ask.

No, but can I say one thing? Mm-hmm. I want to say like, honestly, from, literally from the bottom of my heart, thank you to Tim Ferris, because it was, it was, it was so amazing that when I first found, I, I did, I, I did, uh, he was, I, I didn't meet him really personally, but, uh, I did my RKC certification with him.

And so then he, he was podcasting and so then I was, I, I saw him there. He gave a little talk, and so then I started listening to his podcast then, and this is like years and years ago, and that was the first. Time that I basically heard about podcasting and what was happening. Mm-hmm. And then I took it to all my surgeon friends and went, like, we all started listening to it like we would, and I feel to, to Tim's podcast, to Tim's podcast.

And I feel like it fundamentally changed my life. And I, I saw that there was like a way to become self-expressed and actualize and live your life. Mm-hmm. And I fundamentally think that he, he was like the single person who put me on this path more than anybody else. Well, right on. Yeah. Thank you. All right, Tim.

Tim, if you're listening, there you go. That's, that's a nice compliment. Actually. Tim Tim's book, uh, four Hour Work Week was, yeah. Was a book that actually, I remember when you read that. It changed a lot of the way I ran my business. Yeah. When I realized how much could be, uh, outsourced, I hired my first virtual assistant.

I began to think more about the things that I do well versus the things that I didn't need to be doing, like say mowing my lawn. Uh, and yeah, that actually changed life quite a bit. And Ben's not good at mowing the lawn. Well, oh my God. Me neither. I figured this out when I was a kid. If there's like Mohawks in the lawn, your lawn is beautiful.

Last, if he doesn't mow it, if there are certain things that you don't really have a great passion for doing, and you just decide, I'm not gonna do this, well, then you're not gonna be asked to do that. Task very often in the future, like loading the dishwasher or washing the car. So yeah, me and my brothers figured that out at an early age.

If we did a kind of shitty job washing the car when mom and dad asked us to, then they would come out and finish the job and they would just figure out other things for us to do, aside from washing. See, my mom would stand out there and wash us, do it until we did it the right way. Way. Yeah. See, I think men, I think men are more likely to do that.

Yeah. Do something poorly so you don't get asked to do that again thing. Yeah. My mom wouldn't let that life experience. Not, not that I endorsed that way. She make you wash it one, two, maybe three times. Shirking one's responsibility. All right. Who wants to go with question number one? Oh, and what you get Can, I'm, I'm I out of, I'm out of butane on my pipe torch.

Matt, can you reach that, that lighter that's right there by you? I can't, without unplugging my microphone. But you're, you're within distance of the torch that I can use. Know all. I feel a little like I'm in alert of the ring scene here. Oh, I like, I do his pipe. It's pretty awesome. I, that's the most hilarious, harsher.

It's the most hilarious pipe I've ever seen. I love this. The smell of it. Where is Meredith? I about the smell of it's great Mary Pepper's by my plant medicine facilitator. And apparently it's a very special pipe that, uh, is like a limited edition long stem pipe. And, uh, he gave me some of his wonderful organic tobacco.

You guys smelled that? Yeah. That smell good. Like it's a homeopathic dose of, yeah. I only want the homeopathic dose, but it's delicious. Yeah. All right. What's question number one? Let's do this. All right, Barb, I'll let you start. Okay. So Ben, what is the book or books you've given most as a gift and why? I would say one of them is, A wonderful treatise of Bo both the rational and the irrational decisions that human beings tend to make and how those can affect the way we communicate with them.

It's called Poor Charlie's Almanac, written by Charlie Munger, who is, uh, Warren Buffett's partner at Berkshire Hathaway. Uh, and it's, it's a book just chock full of, of wisdom about the way that people think. So that one I've gifted multiple times. Poor Charlies Almanac. And if I could name one other that I think I, I have probably, probably given away quite a bit recently, or at least gotten from people quite a bit recently.

Gosh, there's, there's a lot, a lot of them, but one, one that comes to mind, I'm blanking on the actual. Title of, and so we can take it to Matt, you remember, we'll take it to Matt. And I'm, I'm going, I'm going to, to remember the title of this book because, uh, or that, that'll look it up. But Matt, why don't you go, but I'm, I'm gonna go with poor Charlie's Almanac for now, and then I'll tell you the other book momentarily.

But, uh, Matt, what's yours? There's this book and it's called The Brothers K. And it's a, it's a, it's a story that's an, a story of an Americana of an American family. It's like a, it references, uh, the Russian, uh, uh, book by this with a similar title. But, um, it's, it's, uh, it's. The tapestry of an American family, uh, that goes through multiple generations.

And I, I connected super deeply to it in many of the characters. And, and I think it touches on themes of family and difficulty and challenge and transcendence. And it's a, it's a sweet and, uh, powerful read. Hmm. And that one's called the brothers K. Yeah. The brother kid, David, David, James Duncan, David. Okay.

Okay, got it. You know, I, I can't find this, uh, this other book that I was thinking of, but I can tell you another one that I, I tend to recommend to people quite often is, uh, uh, a lot of people ask me about my faith. And, uh, an author who I really like named Seth c s Lewis, he has a book called Mere Christianity.

Mere Christianity, which is just like a basic, really good overview of, of hope and Christianity and, and Jesus, and just this idea that it is possible. That, uh, despite me getting a lot of flack for this belief that the, uh, the planet was created by a giant magical God fairy in the sky, and how cool and magical a world that we live in based on that.

So I would say mere Christianity. And then also, uh, poor Charlie's Almanac would be the two books that I've gifted most, which I've never even seen that book in her house. Mere Christianity? No, no. Poor Charlie's Almanacs. Two, I don't even know this book. Two. Maybe you'll get one for Christmas on. Sure.

Perhaps. Now, Jess Jessa reads what? Like maybe I'm a visual. Yeah, very. I don't read very much, very little. Ill listen. Yeah. But I don't read often. I, I literally read, or for a while, read almost a book every day and have a massive library downstairs. And, uh, I, I rarely give Jess books to read just cause to be totally honest and truthful.

I didn't finish a book until probably my mid thirties. Now dys, do you wanna share with people why that is? Well, that because I'm dyslexic and I, and reading is an absolute chore. Yeah. Really. Well, Jess sees, she sees words as shapes. She's, she's a, I'm a very artist visualist, so she's an amazing visual graphic artist, but she sees words as shapes.

So the word like the, is not t h e, it's, it's just this shape. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Super. Your brain, how, how is it for you to read now? What's your experience of that? Um, it's, I feel like, well I was talking to Barb the other day. Once I introduced a lot of fats into my diet, it really helped me quite a bit.

And then also reading to my children, cuz there's no judgment with your kids. Um, it actually really boosted my confidence in reading, especially aloud. And then that carries over into just reading for yourself. Um, so when you have the confidence, you're, you're not thinking about, am I doing this correctly?

You're actually listening and understanding what the book says where for most of my life it was like, Am I reading this correctly? Are people judging me by the way I read, you know? Mm-hmm. You're more concerned about the outward appearance mm-hmm. Than the actual words and what they mean. Mm. And there's like an interesting part about people who were dyslexic seemed to be more successful, a per, at least a percentage of them.

And why do you think that, why do you think that that might be, well, like what was your, and, and have you, cuz I, it's really interesting to think of you with that background and, and from, from some of our conversations. Yeah. Because I think of you as a very successful person. Thank you. Um, I think a lot of it is you have to be adaptable because most of the world functions in this certain way of, you know, reading and, and, and comprehension and whatnot.

And you don't, and so you have to figure out. How to survive in that situation. So it's a very much a, for me, especially as a survivalist mentality, um, especially cuz I was in a school that was a reader based school surviving was really challenging and you get very creative on how to do that and you become super adaptable.

Bring the thunder epic. You, I didn't. I see. Well done. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't, it's me, not me. But that superpowerful, that accent is only funny if you actually see me smoking my pot. Alright, what's, what's our next question? Okay, ladies, I, before I wanna finish this up because I love the fact that you named a CS Lewis book and I just want to call that out.

He's an amazing theologian, an amazing writer who. Who from his face and from his understanding wrote for his children to explain to them these complicated concepts. Yeah. And he wrote The Chronicles of Narnia, which is, which is a great, I have given that set of books I love the Chronicles of, and my oldest sister gave those books to me and it was a huge gift.

And so if you're looking for something to buy children, also if I'm that you write a science fiction series, I've started Space Trilogy. It's amazing. Yeah. But he has a really great book on mourning, like people who have lost, um, I, and I can't recall the name of it, but it's come up a couple of times in the last couple months, um, that had just really helped people, if they've lost somebody, we'll hunt it down and put it in the show notes.

Yeah. It's a really, okay. Yeah. So we'll put all the books@bengreenfieldfitness.com slash Matt and Ben. I'll link to that, that CS Lewis book on morning too. Your, your kids. It like, I love Narnia with every ounce of like my being mm-hmm. Like, and Aslan and like all the characters. And your kids have a little bit of that vibe of being, they're, it's like they're on a spiritual magical journey, right?

Yeah. Like, which is just super cool to watch them like going through that like, yeah. And that series I thought was so good because it starts. With them as in, in, in different stages of being young. And wa you watch them as they're maturing mm-hmm. Both spiritually. Mm-hmm. And then in, in their physical and Yeah.

And, and, uh, life. They go from not battling to battling and they, and they go from being children to being kings mm-hmm. And queens. Mm-hmm. You know how last night we were saying we're gonna be in trouble if the first question we get into, we're gonna be a half hour into the podcast by the time are we half hour in already?

Yeah. So we, we should, okay. We should, we should make sure we don't rabbit hole too much. Okay. Yeah. But it's just so fun. I know. It's, it's fun to converse as well. All right, what's the next question? Okay. Uh, number two, Ben, what purchase of a hundred dollars or less has most positively impacted your life in the last six months or in recent memory?

My readers love specifics like brand and models, where you found it, cetera. I would say something I use almost every day when I'm walking. It's a breath control device that trains you to engage in carbon dioxide retention while you walk. And it is, it resists your exhale so that you're forced to take these deep, long inhales through your nose.

And then as you exhale, because your exhale is resisted, you retain carbon dioxide, which helps to offset oxygen delivery into muscle tissue, helps to increase your nitric oxide consumption or production. And it leaves you feeling after you've been on a walk while using this thing as though you're in like this deep meditative state.

Because we know now from books like James Nestor's, uh, book, uh, uh, breath and I, I interviewed him about this, that carbon dioxide inhalation is now being used for things like PTSD and stress control. And while it's often vilified as like this acidic waste molecule that's bad for the body, it's actually an incredible molecule.

It does a lot for you if you can retain especially high levels of carbon dioxide and high levels of. Oxygen simultaneously. So this little device, I got it from a, from a breathwork practitioner named ERs Olsen, and it's called a relaxer. Mm-hmm Relaxer. I have it in my fanny pack over here. Tiny little thing and it hangs around your neck like a necklace.

And when you're out on a walk, you're just putting your mouth and he walk as you normally do. But all you're doing is breathing through your nose and taking these long resisted exhales. I wanna say it's probably like a 20, $30 device, but I use it all the time when I'm walking and I absolutely love it.

Trains me to do like deep diaphragmatic breathing, CO2 retention. So I'm gonna say my relax, ator Nice. Very nice. How about you, Matt? Okay, I'm gonna, what you got? I'm gonna break the rules. Okay. And I'm gonna say something that costs $365. What? That, but, but here's the thing. Okay? That's, this is in California.

And so the compared, so a hundred dollars is like 300, and we don't have any list here in California, Eastern Washington. A hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, but I think it's probably gonna be, uh, so worth it and it's gonna save you hundreds, hundreds, and hundreds of dollars per year. So it pay for itself.

I bought the seventh generation, uh, de detergent free, or, uh, you know, uh, chemical free, uh, uh, washing detergent for years and years and years and years. Is this the thing that cleans your, uh, Washing machine ozone. Yes. Yes. And so it's an ozone generator that goes in before, um, it water comes in and then uh, it gets ozonated and then it goes into your washing machine.

Mm-hmm. And if you have got mold in your clothes or or mold in, in your, in anything in your house, you can put it in there and then you wash it on cold water without any detergent and it gets it super clean and there's no smell of mold or toxins or anything like that. What's it called again? What's it called, Barb?

It's the pure O three oxygen generator. Pure R three. We're getting that's coming in the mail over us. You've got one in the mail? Yeah, I think we have one and it got the lake. It was supposed to get here a few weeks ago. Well, that's fine cuz the washer's not getting yet either. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, it's amazing.

It's, it's amazing. Okay. So especially if you're concerned about Mo is mold, do you think a pretty big issue? In washers, Matt, like how you're, you're an expert in mold remediation and cleaning up in the body. So it's, it's so big in front loading wash machines. Mm-hmm. And I had it. Embarrassingly before I really knew about this and three washing machines in a row and like different places that I lived.

Yeah. And then I mo moved the house that, like you guys, I moved into that house and it had a washer and dryer and it had, it was full of mold on the inside. And I bet my, yeah. And so then the first thing before I moved in was I got rid of the front loader. I always tell people to do that and then put in, put in a top loader and then put the ozone thing in between.

That's what I have coming in the mail. You're gonna, you're gonna love it. My mind's gonna be blowing. I've got, I'm gonna give you a money back guarantee on that. Take a to domestic goddess to a whole new level. Yeah, absolutely. Cause what you notice is that, is that you, if you use a towel three or four days in a row and it still smells perfect, like it just came out of the dryer.

Yeah. That means you got all the stuff out. Okay. And so you, I can't wait for this. And I'm gonna tell you how that's not what's happening in my house right now. I'm gonna, and so what happens is, is because the towels I used to have to. Over dry them to get any of that mold smell. Yeah. And so the towels that you guys have out, sometimes I would notice the ones by the cold plunge will have a little bit of mold smell.

Yes. That's gonna go away. Perfect. It's gonna be amazing. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah. Okay. I guess I'll let you suggest that one, even though it's more than a hundred. Okay. I apologize. Alright, we'll roll with it. Okay. Rebel. All right. Are we ready to you, Barb? Let's do it. Okay.

Let's do it. All right. Hey, Ben. All right. This one's about failure. I love that. How has a failure or a parent failure set you up for later success? I, I like that question because as you guys experienced last night, our, our family does self-examination every evening where we go around and we ask each other, what good have I done this day and what could I have done better this day?

And like I was saying last night, it forces you to press, rewind on your day, review your day, which in and of itself is, is a wonderful way to just analyze how you lived, how, how, whether or not you wasted your life, so to speak, or whether you actually rose the occasion, lived out your life's purpose that day.

Mm-hmm. But part of it too, when you're asking yourself, what could I have done better? You're looking at your failures and what you've learned, which are reality for your failures. There are, there are many, of course, but I would say. A failure that that set me up for the success. Um, You know, the, the thing that comes to mind right now, and it might be fresh on my mind because I just finished writing an article about this, I'm, I'm doing these Sunday articles right now that are a little bit more spiritual or, or self-improvement based, is the fact that.

I've recognized my propensity to engage in transactional relationships quite a bit, meaning, especially for me as someone who runs a digital company, works online, uh, works with a lot of virtual assistants, even works with my clients in many cases via text and text messages and emails and, and boxers.

Very little, uh, personal. What would be called transformative relationships, meaning there was a time when I ran gyms and personal training studios where there were hugs and there were handshakes and there were high fives, and you'd see your clients in the gym, but then you'd also see them, you know, out at a Friday night party.

Or you'd be with your coworkers at a health club, but then also be out to lunch with them during the day, or spending time with them in real face-to-face, personable flesh and blood interactions that went beyond just the mirror. Often strict and business-like interactions that tend to be what are largely transactional reactions, which allow you to, to treat someone with less human connection and as more of a means to an end.

You know, in my case, it's very easy to, for example, uh, shoot off an email and be Kurt businesslike and even somewhat, you know, rude. You know, for example, I, you know, one, one example I wrote about in this article that I was writing was, you know, I'll write to my social media manager and just be like, You spelled workout wrong.

It's two words. Work plus out. Thanks. Right. Whereas if I was with them, I'm with her. If I was with them instantly feel like, and they were sitting right across from me and I was looking them in the eye there, I would phrase it far differently. I would be more nice, I would be more personable. There might be a compliment sandwich worked in, and I would be getting to know them as a person in what would be called the transformational relationship.

And what I've found myself doing over the past couple of weeks as I've realized this and I've been, as I've been writing the article, is I have been treating relationships more transform. Thinking of people as true human souls who I may be going on to live with for the rest of eternity, not as these passing the, the, these almost like stepping stones for me to, you know, get an article published or to put some money in the bank or, you know, essentially, you know, uh, in, in the article I wrote, I described it as a propensity to treat people like coin-operated monkeys, right?

You put the coin in, they do their little dance with their symbols and their hat. You say, thank you, you walk away and that's it. You got what you needed from that person. And I think that that realization for me has really helped me begin to connect with people on a more deep and meaningful level looking people in the eye.

Carrying, asking about their day and going beyond just the mere transactional into the, the transformational. So that's, that's what I would say is, is a failure. The ability to treat relationships transactionally that I think is leading to a success, which is the ability to treat relationships. Tally.

Right on. Hmm. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a, that's a really good one. Yeah. What do you got, Matt? I, I think that, and I think that was particularly relevant for what's happening right now in the world, right? Absolutely. And so I think so much of, of, of interaction during shelter in place and just during this sort of limited interaction that we're having with people, um, things do tend to get more transactional.

And I've noticed what I've, I think is happening is that people are flocking more to social media because that feels more like social, which is Yeah. But that's also got a lot of downside as we know. Mm-hmm. Cause it's got a real addictive dopamine. Mm-hmm. Thrill. Uh, and desensitization situation. So, but in the same breath, I think when you haven't seen people and then you finally get to see them, it's like, oh my gosh, I finally get to see them.

It's so great to rich. Yeah. It feels like soulful rather, you know, than what you've been like trapped in your house. Makes the heart grow far. Yeah, for sure it does. Absolutely. Familiarity breeds contempt. Yeah. Which is why you and I have such a hard relationship, babe. I know. Gotta be around each other.

All the freaking time shelter in place is killing me. Shelter. There was a great shelter in place. It's like you have two choices first. You can stay at home with your wife and kids mm-hmm. For the next four months or, or is this pick your own adventure company or, and then guy goes, I'll take choice Tim.

Or two. He's like, I don't even need to hear it. Whatever. It's, I got the choice number two. What's, what's your, uh, what's your failure, man? Hey, me. Do you have a favorite failure? Well, so I think I'm gonna dovetail on, I think that I'm a. Sort of a fundamentally a transformational relationship person. And people will sell you a little bit of a bill of goods and then often you'll buy it.

And I'm susceptible. I love sales and buying. And so I, because I wanted to be like an expedition doctor and you're like, kayak and go on big, that sounds bad. Rock climbing things. Yeah. I went into anesthesia, which was the field that has the least transformational ability to connect with patients. And because they're asleep, they're asleep.

And so, and so I, I did it to facilitate a goal, but it was literally like probably the worst thing for me to do from a perspective that like, I, I deeply love people. And so then extricating yourself from that is difficult. But then fortunately in the process of doing that, I learned literally everything that I needed to learn to do what I do now.

Mm-hmm. And interestingly, What I'm doing fundamentally is having transformational relationships with people who have big problems, be that mental, emotional, spiritual addiction, autoimmune Lyme, cancer, dementia, they're dying. Mm-hmm. Wanting to do peak living. And then it's almost like I'm, we're transf tally relating, and then I'm like healing at the same time in some way that's parallel to them.

Mm-hmm. Which is super, super amazing to go through. And I think fundamentally my pain that I had was that I wasn't gonna be able to do it. Like, you hope that you're gonna be able to do that as a doctor. Mm-hmm. And then I saw it slipping away and I really thought I might not make it, like, I might not be able to, to be who I wanted to be.

Mm-hmm. And I fundamentally, I fundamentally believe that like, And, and if, if my life is like being here, hanging out with you guys doing smoothies and working out, I mean, it's like I feel like I barely made it, but I made it and I feel so great about it. That's my next question cuz I'm like, it's so, it's nice to be able to pour yourself into people and really, you know, and participate with them.

But do you feel like sometimes it's, you have to limit that to a point. Otherwise Jessie, you can't stray from the script. You can only ask scripted questions. Well, cuz over extending yourself or, you know, emotionally involving yourself so deeply that it's like exhausting. Um, So I, under, I, I get, and I think what you're saying is beautiful, but I like, for myself, I'm one of those people who will like, invest in a lot of people and, and give emotionally and you do have to like limit yourself to a point.

Not to like a point of being cold, but like you will, you can't overextend yourself where you're no longer there for the people who like your immediate family or something like that. So the trip, the trip about that one is interesting. So I've been basically working for like, I. 12 or 14 hours a day for, so like 20 years.

Yeah. So my endurance and in my ability to do that mm-hmm. Is really high. Yeah. And yet you're a hundred percent right. And I think the trajectory for me is to work like an hour, a day less. Yeah. Uh, and then two hours a day and three hours a day less and, and pouring more and more of, of yoga and meditation.

Mm-hmm. And sort of in internal work in to, to balance that. Mm-hmm. And we've always done that. And um, and it's like a dance, but like right now what happens is my. My energy is basically good. Mm-hmm. But then as soon as I start doing it, as soon as I kind of get my vibe, which I get sometime around like 10 or 11 in the morning mm-hmm.

I basically get more energy as that it goes on. Yeah. So at 10 o'clock I'm way more energy, energy than I had at like noon. Mm-hmm. And basically there's something happens that's so inspirational when I start to see people get better. Mm-hmm. That I'm, it doesn't. It doesn't wear me down anymore. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm, it's kinda like what you, what you said Ben.

Mm-hmm. I'm so ecstatic. It's like I have an idea that it's gonna be amazing, and then when it turns out that it actually is, yeah. It's more ecstasy for me than anything else. Okay. That I can experience on Earth. Yeah. It is interesting being down at your office and, and seeing you just kind of float from room to room, typically while singing some cheesy country music lyrics, uh, with a big goofy smile on your face.

But yeah, it's a little bit of like a, like, like an infection. That's exactly what joy that you carry from room to room. And I, I could see how that would almost like mm-hmm. Kind of fuel you still having energy throughout the day just by spreading positive energy and having it bounce back at you from the patients that you're working with.

It is kind of a mm-hmm. Cool experience. And, and that is only all of that. All of that is just something that is just allowing me to walk around and sing goofy country music, love certain, certain songs I love. That's a good reason. It's all just become a doctor. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Well I don't ask my other question cuz we're gonna, we're gonna go along, so I'll, all right.

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If you could have a gigantic billboard anywhere with anything on it, metaphorically speaking, getting a message out to millions or billions, what would it say and why? Hmm. It could be a few words or a paragraph. Okay. Um, you know what mm-hmm. We were on our walk last night along the river. Mm-hmm. And we kinda did this already.

I, I kind of thought of something that, because I'm sure very few people saw that Instagram live, it's still floating around in my head and I still think it's just a great song and a great quote. And I think people should listen to this song. Uh, I would say normally if we were in normal circumstances when they're driving to work in the morning, but maybe like when you wake up in the morning before you just start interacting with people for the next few days, listen to this song and it is, uh, song by the Blackeyed piece.

It's called Be Nice. And the chorus just basically goes like this. And I would totally put this on a billboard. Be happy. Be nice. Just smile. I promise it'll change your life. Do do Never heard that song. Never heard that song. Now you have I don't think so. But maybe the way you're singing isn't familiar to me.

And, and we're gonna do a big shout out to Snoop Dogg because he's, he's Snoop Sings on that track too. It's, it's a great song. Don't a lake him. So, NBC has a show called Songland and I love, and it's especially relevant to Matt and I because. One of the things we're working on this weekend is a lot of singing and songwriting, because we have a band called Rocky roots@rockyrootsmusic.com.

Shout out. And an artist came into the Songland Studios for this show on NBC, where singer songwriters come and present their tunes. And the lead singer for the Black Eyed Peas, I forget his name. Um, oh, will I am, yeah. Will I am. He was one of the judges and he chose this song and then turned it into an actual black eyed pea song, and that's where the song came from, was the NBC Show, songland.

But yeah, that, that's what I put on the billboard. Be happy, be nice. That's probably why I don't know this song. Smile. I promise you it'll change your life. Do do. I'm pretty stuck in the nineties though. I'll play, I'll play it for you later on tonight, babe. Okay. Yeah, yeah. We'll dig it. I'm not up to date on the new stuff.

How about you, Matt? Can we, can you give a shout out to that kid that. Plays, um, uh, guitar that you played for us yesterday. Oh yeah. The other kid I was, I was down at a, I was down at Mikey D's from the BC Boys. Shout out Mikey. I was down at in Malibu, hanging out with him and his boys, um, Skylar and Davis.

And this cat named Marcus King came by who was recording at Rick Rubin's studio. That's a great game too. Marcus, Marcus King's from Nashville. Oh my gosh. Look, look, look him up on Spotify. Um, his, I like, one of the, one of the funniest things was Rick was, um, Rick was listening to Marcus play and the dude rips out guitar licks like Jimi Hendrix.

That's crazy. And Rick Rubin goes, Yeah. That's big boy guitar playing 21, 22 year old kids. Yeah. Marcus King, shout out. He's, he's got some good tunes. Awesome. We should list some of those during tonight's burger party that we're doing. Okay. For sure. We'll put on some. Marcus King, can you ask me my question again?

Uh, sure. If you had a billboard and you wanted to put anything on it and get your message out to millions and billions of people, what would it be? I would say it's gonna be amazing, but, but this is my, this is my idea. Okay. It's been so crazy with Covid, and so then there's like trying to figure out what's happening.

Mm-hmm. And, and. Transitioning from the state that we're in, into the state that we're going. And often when big pandemics and crazy things happen, all kinds of, uh, evolution and, and, and science and technology and opportunity kind of come. And I think that that's gonna happen, uh, from a functional medicine perspective, from a science perspective, from a wellness perspective.

And, uh, this is an opportunity for all of us. To take our health to a deeper and greater level. Mm-hmm. And I've been, I've done that for myself and it's been like absolutely the most amazing sort of four months of my clinical practice. Oh, cool. And so I'm, I'm super pumped. And so, and there's, there's so much fear that in driving around and so I'd like to have billboard, it's all over.

That said, it's gonna be amazing. And, and start to program that into our consciousness. It is gonna be amazing. That's your catch phrase. I made you a giant dork tshirt. We've got t-shirts and mugs and, and hoodies. And beanies. You can buy them right here. That's a, it's gonna be amazing. Buy bio, reset medical.

It's gonna be amazing. Douglas, get up today. So, so you made me that tshirt. I keep having to turn Jess's sound out cuz you shout I, I come from a loud family that I'm talking about. Know, trust me. We're noticing I wore that t-shirt to work and then some people saw me wearing it and so then they made me cups that say, it's gonna be amazing.

So it was like, really? Right on. You have to keep giving spiral. Okay. Okay. So Ben, yes. You're a savvy investor. Yes. What is one of the best or most worthwhile investments you've ever made? And that could be an investment of money or energy or time. I did invest $10,000 in a startup cannabis enterprise in Canada that, uh, I was prepared to liquidate at about two and a half million a few months ago.

And then, uh, covid hit and the stock crash right before, so right now, if I sold it, I'd, I think I'd get about 10 K out of it. So. Wow. No money lost. Yeah, no money gained. No money lost. It's all, it's all on paper. Mm-hmm. Uh, I would say one of the best or most worthwhile investments that I have ever made was where we are at right now.

I used to come up to this very, 10 acre plot. Couple of times I came up here and I hunted white-tailed deer, and it was just this blank slate piece of land off the side of the road in Spokane, Washington. I made the landowner an offer that if I was able to find water, which is really funny because I actually hired what's called a well witcher mm-hmm.

Where they walk around with a doer and it's, it's interesting ridge actually, they, they find exactly where water is supposedly passing through the, the underground springs. And, you know, he walked around the land with me and he put his foot down. He said, drill here. And we drilled and Walla, we had water.

And I, uh, told the landowner that I wanted to be able to ease a driveway in and if I could get power in from the local municipal power, um, even though we eventually added solar so we could be off grid, that I would buy the land. So I did, I bought 10 acres for about $90,000, which is a pretty good deal.

Yes. And um, then we have spent the past six years just gradually building it into the greenfield estate. You know, we built a home and then we built this little pool house. We built a guest house, we built a for chipmunk the tree for it, and put an obstacle course in, and the goat and the chicken barn. And, um, You know, the house, of course, doesn't kick off income, you know, the houses depreciate, but just having this oasis, especially during the past a hundred days during the covid, it's been amazing locked down, being locked down on 10 acres of luscious land with vegetables and goats, and chickens, and hiking, and sunshine, and trees, and nature and plant forging.

I am so happy when I'm at home. And I, I, I think this is probably one of the best investments I've ever made. I know so many people are under the nomadic, don't tie yourself down with a home. You know, there's the guy who I will teach you to be rich. I meet Setti who, you know, writes that, oh, you don't want to own a home.

And it's just, it, it ties you down. It's a, it's a just a, a chore all the time. And you want to be nimble and you want to be mobile. I disagree. I think that it's a safe haven. My home is a. Castle. It's a safe haven. It's an oasis. So I'm gonna go with this, this little piece of land in home in Spokane. I think it's the best investment I ever made for just overall happiness.

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It's gonna be amazing. It's a magical place, and I wanna thank you for you two for creating this here and allowing other people to experience this. We, we love, we love to, we love to share it. We love sharing good food and good times at the Greenfield House, and it's so awesome to see it like evolving.

Yeah. Like, you know, the, the, you guys didn't have the. Yeah. Guest house we first came. Yeah. It's, I mean, Jess and I probably, it's a bomb What? Die here. Holding hands in bed someday. I guess. It's sufficient. I mean, God, God, God willing. At least at this point, I don't, I don't plan on moving. And 30 30. Yeah, exactly.

We're so that'll make me old. 260 years old. Old with all that, all that cerebral lysine and pig brain. Yeah. Yeah. Anti-aging, man. How about you, Matt? The, um, yeah. My greatest investment for the most part, I just about went to like a meeting to teach or learn or meditate or do yoga. Like we were, we basically went to meetings.

Traveled three to four weekends a month for the last 10 years. And, and now it's harder to do that because, you know, we're not traveling. So, to me, I'm so grateful that I did that. And my primary investment has just been in knowledge and and education. Mm-hmm. And I, and even currently, like I'm building this platform that's gonna, uh, a functional medicine education platform.

Mm-hmm. Basically, uh, that's gonna, uh, go live in, um, in a introductory, limited way, you know, in the next month or two. Yeah. But, um, and so I'm just continuing to double down on, on, on, uh, an introspective journey of education and, and, and learning. That's interesting. Cause I actually knew you were gonna say that.

Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know why. Cool Dejavu. It was, that was weird. That's the, uh, yeah, I mean, books you cannot be from, I mean, that's the unwritten rule in the Greenfield House is if River and Tarran want a new Lego set or a Nerf gun or anything like that, they can use their hard-earned money to buy that.

But books are pretty much a no questions asked. We, we will purchase them because book, I mean, I, I could have said that book library downstairs with hundreds and hundreds of books on religion and philosophy and science and nature and health. That also, I would say is, and Captain Underpants. And Captain Underpants, of course, I think that's the upstairs in the boys' bedroom.

But my, my book collection is, I would say is a pretty, pretty decent investment. Mm-hmm. As well. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Knowledge, wisdom. Yes. Okay. All right. Well, onto the next question. What is an unusual habit or an absurd thing that you love? This is a tricky one, an unusual habit or absurd thing that I love.

Um, I guess I could say a weekly coffee enema. That's, that's, that's a, that's a real treat. Um, you know, I, uh, I don't know if this is an unusual habit or an absurd thing. But you know, as, as a guy with a background in Iron Man and obstacle course racing, I used to run a lot. Mm-hmm. You know, when I, when I was racing, I was still considered like a minimalist runner.

I'd run like 30, 40 miles a week. Mm-hmm. Which for Iron Man is not considered a ton of mileage. Um, but now not a day goes by that I don't walk for a good five to seven miles, like out in the sunshine. When it's deep, dark winter, I'll throw on my headlamp and my boots and go walk in the snow. Mm-hmm. But for the past two years, I've adopted a walking habit in which I, I take all my phone calls when I'm walking.

I do a lot of my deep thinking and meditating when I'm walking. I do, like I mentioned earlier, my breath work when I'm walking. I used to think. That when I'd see people just walking on the side of the road that it was a waste of time or why aren't they running or getting fit? And now that I've begun walking regularly a ton, so I probably take 15 to 20,000 steps a day.

Mm-hmm. And I love, I love to walk. It's where I do a lot of my thinking. It's where I make all my important phone calls. It's where I'll listen to audio books at four times speed sometimes. Cause I just find when I'm walking I can absorb material better. And I, I literally not a day goes by where I, if, if I don't go for a walk, I feel as though I'm, I'm missing out on part of my day now.

So, yeah. I mean, I, I walk ruthlessly every single day. Like, and it's just a, I, I don't even enjoy ru my, my running now consists of me going down and checking the mail and running back on the driveway occasionally. That's about it. Or maybe when we're playing tennis with the boys. Yeah. But yeah, I, I would say walking a lot, a lot.

Ruthless walking. I like it. Ruth, too. Ruth. Ruthless, ruthless, dominating. Now, now speaking, speaking of which I, I wanna listen to, uh, I, I want to hear Matt's reply, but I also have to pee like a racehorse. So Matt, why don't you reply on flat rock. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go take a quick pee and, uh, Matt, you keep, you keep all the people entertained with, with your, with your response for your absurd thing and I'll be right back.

Back and it's gonna involve being ruthless and dominating. Okay? Of course. Cuz you strike me as that ruthless dominator. Yeah, exactly. Not totally the soft hand. The soft hand of wisdom. So the, um, I would say that my absurd behavior is that probably almost like him walking almost every minute that I'm not working at or working.

Or eating. I'm walking around with a guitar in my house playing along to music that's playing on the sound system and singing at the top of my lungs. And, you know, it's, it is, I can totally see that I, I spend tons and tons of time playing along with people. Mm-hmm. And so, and, and I, I've gotten to the point where I just kind of pick the guitar up and then I'll figure out the song.

It was like, and I was having dinner with Barb the other night and it was amazing cuz um, I hadn't heard, you know, John Prine died and, you know, there's this song, the Speed of the Sound, the Loneliness. Oh yeah. Remember that song came on beautiful song and I just picked it up and I I nailed it. Yeah. Um, which was kind of fun cuz I hadn't played that song in 10 years.

Awesome. And so the, it's been, uh, It's been super amazing. And then interestingly, and this is just a a crazy story band. You're not gonna believe this, but I've been doing hydro dissection where I put fluid and I've actually used Cerebro cin, but I've also used a bunch of other peptides and a bunch of other products.

Mm-hmm. And I basically did a vagus nerve, hydro dissection, uhhuh, and, um, hide. I hydros, dissection, I hydros dissected all of the muscles underneath my jaw. Oh. And my Tess. Mm-hmm. And. Um, and then the nerves that go to my, uh, vocal chords. I was gonna say just sing better now. And my singing voice is like, amazing.

And it was amazing because there's all of these songs crazy that I used, used to sing, but I couldn't sing them. Right. Like I couldn't get Yeah. Like, and especially. Like, you know, Jackson Brown and Elton John and people whose vocal register is just, yeah, your higher range has gotten a little higher than, and then like I, I noticed now you're got like a lot of singing stars coming to your place now for the same thing probably.

Yeah. Like what, what we're doing with that is probably the most interest interesting thing that we're doing. Just so everybody knows I'm back. Cerebri. Well this is about Matt right now. Sorry honey. No, it's not about, it's not about, just so everybody knows my bladder's good to go. Alright. Sorry. Nailed it

back to you Matt. I was sorry, I was just stalling for time. I was just, we were praying you were gonna get back here Ben. No, and I think that actually, uh, Matt was talking about doing these hydro dissections, um, of all the muscles that interact with the voice and with the fifth chakra and with self-expression and you know, I've been doing some of those as well.

And it's a very interesting cuz it, that impacts your perception and your cognition and I see your clarity coming out of that as well. Yeah, because, and, and the fact that music and singing particularly does something different to your brain. Mm-hmm. And during c o d you've done that more because you're not at a restaurant, at a business dinner, you're at home with your guitar singing.

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm singing for like, Two or three hours every day. Wow. It's cuz before I was doing entertaining. Yeah. I was doing business entertaining. Mm-hmm. Seven days a week. Sure. And now I'm pretending that I'm a rockstar seven days a week. But it's interesting that you say that, Barb, because I feel like when I, even when I look at you, I have a sense of like, also with you, like we're, I feel, and I don't know if this is Covid or everything that we're doing mm-hmm.

But I feel like an order of magnitude more present than I did. Yeah, yeah. Six months ago. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I think so. Even with interactions that I have with just, uh, the store clerk, honestly. Yeah. To me it's like I, I've had the, especially during Covid, this just realization that these are all spiritual beings.

Yeah. Like all of these people. And you never actually just meet an ordinary person. They're all very, like, like I said, their spirituality, everyone's, and everyone's important. Everybody needs, um, some kind of interaction that lifts 'em up, builds them up. And I think that was total sidetrack, but I do know what you mean.

No, that's such a good sidetrack. Yeah, that's a good sidetrack. Keep going on that one. Well, just that there's just no, we're not just people. That's basically what I'm saying. Yeah. We're, we're, everyone is like this very amazing spiritual being and, and everybody needs. To feel that encouragement. I think it's so important.

So important. I agree. And I think that's the as even just when you're interacting with people with a mask on, you have to make eye icon. If you make eye contact, it's eye contact, which is the deepest kind of sort of spiritual contact and the expression, namaste. And from yoga, that's what that's about.

Like I, I see you as a spiritual being. I acknowledge myself and you as a spiritual being. Mm-hmm. It's so totally different kind of interaction. Yeah. Than a transactional interaction of I'm gonna write you an email and now I'm done with you. Yeah. Well and if when, especially since Pew, I'm not really crazy about the mask, but since people are masked up, it's almost like you have to be overly expressive.

Yes. To actually be felt. I've gotten amazing at using my eyebrow muscles. You still can't do the one eyebrow. I would love to be able to do that, but I can't do it anyways. But you have to be overly expressive. Yes. And, and, and it has to be super thoughtful, which I think is actually. Sometimes pretty good.

Like a good thing. Anyways, next we should probably move on then, what we got looking at past, over the last five years. And just think about what one new belief, behavior, or habit has most improved your life over the past five years. Well, look, I, I want to say a regular meditation practice. Mm-hmm. But I feel as though 95% of people would give a reply like that the meditation has changed their lives when they, when they adopted it.

But specifically the, the flavor of meditation and journaling that we've adopted as a family, just, just over the past, you know, we, we just finished a 30 day gong in which we challenge each other to do a five to 10 minute meditation as a family, uh, in the morning out on the patio, combined with journaling in the morning.

And the journaling in the morning consists of two questions. What am I grateful for, and who can I pray for or help or serve this day? And then in the evening, we all gather as a family before bed as you guys, uh, joined with us doing last night, and we do our self examination. What good had I done this day and what could I have done better this day?

And then finally, what is one way that I lived my life's purpose today? Those four questions, gratitude, service, self-examination, and purpose when paired with checking in in the morning with the meditation and the breath work I have. I, I've, I've really, really enjoyed that a lot, and I feel as though it's been a really nice bookend for the day.

So much so that I'm, I'm actually working on a, a new journal for, for a while. I, uh, had something called the Christian Gratitude Journal, which is three questions. What am I grateful for? Who can I pray for help or serve this day? And, oh, what truth did I discover in my reading today? And I'm actually, uh, I'm gonna stop producing that journal and I'm gonna start producing what I call the Spiritual Disciplines Journal, which is the four questions that I've just described.

What am I grateful for? Who can I help? What could have I done this day and what could I have done better? And what is one way that I lived out my life's purpose today? And, um, I, I would say that although I'm one of those guys who is always adopting new habits, new routines, new rituals, that's the one that really comes to mind.

Mm, okay. Awesome. That's amazing. You know, it's so interesting to go through that with you last night because, you know, super fun like goofing around singing songs and stuff like that. And then we went and played some songs with the kids and did that, and I didn't say anything, but you know, you were talking about failures and I was thinking about.

How humbling the practice of medicine is on the way up here. And then I was meditating on that and then to then to, um, to get up and then go meditate on the, the porch this morning. Mm-hmm. And to marinate that in with like, the whole workout that we did. And I was like, I chose my parents. And then my sister called me right before we did this shout out to Jenny Cook, and she was like, you have to buy dinner for parent, mom and dad tonight.

I was like, okay. So I was like, it is like service. It was like cool. It is super cool. And so I I what you guys were doing with that is just the totally, the greatest. How about you? Less five years. Less Five years. New belief, new behavior, or new habit. Okay. So I'm gonna go into a, and we know you haven't ejaculated or masturbated for a decade, so you can't say that.

Oh, I'm holding, I'm holding it in. Holding it in Bra. Bra. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a, that's not probably one of my main belief systems. He's like, I don't hold to that at all. You know? It is, it is interesting cuz I had a, a belief system that was much more dogmatic around yoga of like, you just have to work your way through your practice and that you could be in pain and I would work, I would use yoga poses and to work through things.

And so I would work through and kind of a fairly sustained way where I, I would, I might have pain for a month or two and work my way through it. Mm-hmm. And then I basically just started injecting peptides and stuff and just basically fixing things and not having to do that. Mm-hmm. And so, I guess, uh, my belief system is that, We're gonna be able to keep ourselves fundamentally relatively close to this age for a super long time by harnessing the best tools and techniques and strategies of, of what is going to double and quality every two years, just like Moore's Law.

And so, so then the, we are going to look forward to a, a golden age of, of health and medicine. Mm-hmm. And so maybe Coronavirus is just ushering this in. Mm-hmm. So then we'll all look back a hundred years from now and ago, man, that was like the greatest thing ever. Remember, remember before 2020 how much everything sucked.

I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. Yeah. Let's hold that. This is definitely a historical moment, and I don't think we're just saying that out of narcissism. No, it's definitely a historical movement. Yeah, for sure. There's, but a lot of potential. There's a shift. All right. I'm not. I'm ready. Next. Are you boys ready?

We're ready. Okay. What advice would you give to a smart driven college student about to enter into the real world? What advice should they ignore? I. Why'd you go to college? You idiot. Um, I wanted to be an engineer to build a bridge. Yes. So if, if they have indeed gone to college for legitimate reasons, such as they need demonstrable evidence that they have engaged in coursework that allows 'em to do something that may harm someone if they didn't actually pass fail, such as building a bridge, being an engineer, being a physician, being an astronaut, et cetera.

I cer I certainly do think there are some things that, that rigorous demonstrable coursework is necessary for. Um, and I also of course believe that if you're going to college for the social exposure, well this says the real world, generalized education, et cetera, that you should travel around the world for a year and you'll get a lot better education than going to college.

Mm-hmm. Uh, however, I would say that, um, the advice that I would give would be, um, To, if at all possible, because I still feel as though mentorship and apprenticeship and practical hands-on learning is under emphasized or sometimes completely neglected in a, in a college setting, that my advice would be to, for whatever career that you want to embark upon.

You find one of the best people that you can who is practicing that craft, that skill, and you figure out a way to shadow them, to follow them, to learn from them, to be mentored by them or to in some way, see what they do on a daily basis. And of course, I think that that's an indispensable experience whether or not you're going to college.

But let's say that you graduate with a degree in, um, You know, let's just use something very simple and realistic. Like I did say physical education, right? Well, I just went straight into, you know, operating gyms and personal training studios and working at health clubs when, if I could go back, I would've found one of the best of the best, like, uh, uh, Charles Quinn, the Strength since I or, uh, Pavo Lin, you know, a kettlebell shout kettlebell instructor.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Charles was a, was a friend of yours, man. Loved, loved Charles. Yeah. Mean he rest in peace. Um, or, or, or Pavo or, um, you know, let's say if we were talking about something like, um, uh, you know, endurance, maybe a, a, uh, a Lance Armstrong or, or a Mark Allen or a Dave Scott, and just basically, Hound those people, their assistants, the people close to them, figure out a way to where you can actually go in and follow them and see what they do and learn from the greatest of the great, the goats, so to speak.

A new term that we taught our children last night. And, and what, what I would do is find whoever's doing what you want to do in a very good way and figure out tooth claw, nail how you can. Get yourself tucked under the wing of that person and just be a fly on the wall or shadow them for, for a good several months just to really get exposed to how what you've learned in a formal setting can be applied in a real world.

Boots on the ground setting. And you asked about advice that should be ignored, I would say, um, I don't know a lot of advice that college students are being given these days, but just, just general life advice that I see floating around out there. I would say that, um, Probably, um, one, one of the things that I was personally advised to do was to really get my hands dirty, get into the business, learn what I was doing inside and out, whether it was programming webpages or designing PHP scripts, or writing newsletters or doing research for clients.

And I would, I'm gonna use this word again. Uh, ruthlessly, outsource as much as you can to focus on what, uh, Gary Keller, who has a book by the same title, which is excellent. Would say, crushing Your One Thing. Right. Don't worry about. Putting yourself into a situation where you need to learn every single aspect of what it is that your business involves.

Uh, instead just focus on the one thing. And like for me now, I don't know how to log into my own website. I don't know how to fix anything on my own. I don't know how to send out a fricking email to my audience. I don't know. I don't even know how to do any of that stuff. I have no clue how to do it. And there was a time when that would've driven me absolutely nuts because I'm supposed to know how to run every little aspect of my business.

And now I've largely extracted myself from all of that. So I can focus on what I really, really want to do. Read, write, learn, teach, create, right? And so I'm living out my highest purpose because I'm not trying to do it all. So I'd say those are the two main things. I get practical, hands-on experience from someone who's doing it quite well.

And then focus on doing what you do best. Crush that one thing, outsource everything else. Okay. A good one. Okay. I'm gonna dovetail on what you said because I think there's two sort of genres and categories. How come you're gonna dovetail, not piggyback, Um, I was gonna dovetail to kind of creep up and then I was gonna jump on top and, and piggyback on a second.

Piggy half, one doves back. I was, I was gonna piggyback on the second half of it, which was, which was gonna be amazing. The, um, so, so the, some of the people you talked about, like the goats, like your, I think yourself and Tim and, and you know, Charles Pollock, when are, are people who are fundamentally very self-expressed and they expressed and created almost like a reality distortion field around them.

And I think that's what I told Barb. I go, it's almost like we're in a reality distortion field here where Covid doesn't exist. This, this is the greatest. And so that is like on the one hand of one, one potential. Pathway to of life. And then this other pathway in life is this more didactic, more traditional college experience of, uh, I have several boxes here.

And, and, and, and figure out which one of those boxes you want to be in and live in for the rest of your life. Mm-hmm. And I think that there's a, a, a hybrid model for the kids out there to, which is to. Play in any or all of those boxes and, and try to pick what you're truly passionate about. Because what I now believe is, if you really want to do it, you can do anything.

Mm-hmm. And then, and then living in that and getting curated with all of the, the latest and greatest of tech and science and art and, and, and a modern perspective on traditional culture and religion. And then in parallel to that, then finding these people that are outside of the box, finding a bend, finding, uh, a pa, finding these, these people who are the mavericks.

Mm-hmm. Who, who, who created, who, who are creating the reality that it's gonna be all of our future reality. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then marinating that. And then, and then, and then, and then take that, and then do something amazing with it that defines your life and changes basically. The, the, the poss the potential possibility for all of the people around you.

Mm-hmm. I like that. Love it. I like that. Yeah. You totally jumped up on the back of the pig there at the end. I jumped right on the back of the pig, and then I was like riding the pig. You know, pigs only quarter cup brain, by the way, by the way, you see the, the black, the black mirrors TV episode about the pig.

It was one of the very first, and I'm not much of a TV guy, but everybody told me, gotta watch black mirrors. So finally, I, I said, okay, what episode should I watch if I'm gonna watch a black mirrors mirror? I never, which I believe it's a Netflix series. And so I watched it and it was basically about a guy who, uh, it's, it's hard to explain, but it in basically, it basically involves making love to a pig.

Ew. Sorry, I can't get into that. It's easy. Easy. And between pig, between pig brains, piggybacking and making love to pigs, pigs seem to be a prevailing theme in today's episode. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I think it's time to move on to the next question. Yeah, we're, we're getting a little long in the two, so we, we'll go, we'll go rapid fire on these.

Okay. Uh, we've got three questions to go. This is, so let's do it. A great question. Okay. Ben, what are bad recommendations you hear in your profession and area of expertise? Oh, geez. Because there's a lot of junk out there. How much time you got? I'm, I'm, I'm gonna limit. Yeah, there's, yeah. I'm going to limit myself to one and I would say that it would be that, Exercising is the best way to get fit.

Mm. When in fact if you are, as I mentioned earlier, engaged in low level physical activity all day long, lots of walking, lots of de-stressing, a really nice cold bout in the morning and another cold bout in the evening, a regular sauna practice and you know, do doing a little bit of manual labor, lifting heavy stuff every once in a while and playing some sports.

Some of the fittest people I know from a pure health standpoint who I know are gonna live a long time are not necessarily the people who are. Uh, the, the two hour long gym Rats. Cause I know a lot of those kind of people, they're inflamed, they're sick, they're overtrained. I mean, for, for me personally, now perfect day of exercise for me is about 30 to 40 minutes of some kind of just like hard grind, like kettlebell or something like that.

And then lots of walking, little bit of cold, little bit of heat, some kind of sport. And if you would've asked me 10 years ago, it would've been like, go to the gym hour or two a day. Um, you know, get a long bike ride or lunchtime, you know, hardcore slog in on the treadmill or on the road, or like long swims and just exercise, exercise, exercise.

And now I, I think brief bouts of like some high intensity interval training, a little bit of kettlebells, and then just lots of movement, lots of hot, lots of cold, lots of time in nature. I think that's the way to go. So I'm, I'm getting, you know, especially since I've even stepped into a gym for the past, what, like almost 110 days, I'm realizing.

How much people associate gyms and health clubs, et cetera, with fitness, when in fact you don't need any of that to not only be healthy, but also to be fit and strong. And it still shocks me how many people are like, I can't wait for Covid to end so I can finally get fit because I'm, oh, we're putting on so much weight during this day.

I'm like, you looked outside, you've got rocks. I never like gym. So you've got rocks. You've got some shoes. You've got the sunshine. You got miles and miles of roads you can go walking on. You have rivers, you have lakes, you have oceans. Why are you letting the absence of the ability to be able to step foot into a sterilized treadmill, laden, dumbbell rack equipped health club keep you from staying fit?

So yeah, it's basic. It would basically be that you'd need a gym or a health club or a formal exercise program to stay. Yeah, good one, which nobody needed. Uh, like. You know, 125 years ago. That's old. Cool. Yeah. Unless you were an Olympian or a gymnast. I gladiator for award. Yeah. I was like, oh. I look at people like my dad who worked in the field, you know, farm and he's in great shape for his age.

I never went to a gym. How about you, Matt? No, I'm gonna nail it totally on this one. Nailed it. No, I didn't nail it yet, but I'm going to nail it. You're going to, I'm anticipating because, um, my, my, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna turn it around and I'm gonna let, uh, I'm gonna seed my time to Barb and Jess and let you guys answer this question cuz I, I, we, I, I want to hear what you guys have to say.

All right. Just donating his time. I, I do not like the advice people give, like, If you wanna be happy, just think happy or just, you know, you, you just make yourself happy. Like, you know that where you just like manif, like, I don't know if it manifest is the word or do you know what I mean? Where it's like, it's like you just, it's just mind over emotion.

You mean the quote that a man can be happy no matter her circumstances? Like No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just more of like, you can will yourself to be happy. You can Yeah. Will yourself into this emotional, this willpower based belief. Yeah. And I was like, there is like, I guess some truth to that, but I think like you have to really wrestle through that.

Do the work. Yes. Do the work. You have to deal with the shadow. Exactly. And so when you see, I hate it when I see mems where it's, it's like that kind of thing, right? Where you're just gonna will yourself into some kind of emotion. Uh, I don't think that's true, and I think that puts actually a huge amount of pressure to mm-hmm.

Be in an emotional state that maybe you're not ready to be in, and that you need to go, like I said, go through the work and deal with the demon that inside that is bringing or having that negative emotion and really, uh, labeling it and understanding it and confessing it for me as a Christian, confessing it and then.

Turning away. Like I feel like there's a whole process. It's not just like, I'm gonna be joyful because I'm gonna will myself into joy. And I'm like, no. And then where you are in that process is exactly where you're supposed to be because what is, is the journey and that life is a journey. I think we're all, there's, there is this expectation of just like, yeah, put a bunch of positive and I'm, I'm big believer in affirmations, right?

Mm-hmm. Like cuz you need to retrain your brain Sure. Out of different kinds of patterns. And that's what gratitude meditations are about. Yes. And journaling and everything else. But the fact is it is always a journey and it's layers. Yeah. And we're complex beings with a lot of history that we take in genetically and through everything that's happened to us, you know, in preverbal states, all the early deep brain conditioning.

Mm-hmm. And you don't unravel that just by thinking that it's, you should just be happy. Yeah. I just, I need, yeah. I mean, perfect example is that, that like Ben came back from California. I had two days where I was just in this major funk. And I told him, I was like, I don't really even know why. And eventually I was able to label it and then I now can understand it.

Mm-hmm. And then I confessed it. And then you just turned, then I turned away from it. But it was a whole process. It wasn't just like I'm in a depressed state and now I'm just choosing to be joyful. Like that just is, I don't like that advice. I think it's not real. And I think it's, yeah, it's, it's this, uh, in, we live in a world where we want instant results and that is not reality in my opinion.

Good one. Good job. Yeah. And I think that that, I see that a lot in the medical practice. Um, you know, because we deal with a lot of people who have had chronic conditions, chronic pain, chronic illness, Lyme disease, you know, post covid, what are all the things that kind of happen people's life. And, and there's a guilt associated with, you know, when, when they're asked how you doing?

They wanna say, oh, I'm doing great, but you can see they're really not doing great. Mm-hmm. And it's like, okay to like share that with people cuz it's how you process it. Mm-hmm. And you start, and you get through that sort of imposter syndrome because we've all been programmed to just be, you know, always.

Pretend, and as somebody who grew up with what was, you know, called chronic illness as a type one diabetic and now a double organ transplant, you know, I view this as just chronic health and everybody's dealing with stuff. Mm-hmm. But I really like to share that with people because it make, it gives a richness to their ability to be like, oh yeah, I got stuff too.

Well, everybody's got stuff for them to actually acknowledge it and yeah. Know that it's there. Right. Because a lot of people don't even wanna acknowledge like, yes, I'm dealing with depression. Like, I need to, like, I'm not sure why I'm gonna work. You know, and then actually run through the process where, or yes, I have this chronic illness, I don't really like to talk about it or you know, even name it or anything like that.

I just kind of want you to put, gimme the shot and just deal with it. You know? It's like nobody wants to actually go through the process. Well there's an accountability associated with that too. And I think one of the things that we've lost in our culture in this, uh, you know, particularly in this sort of influencer culture, in the cancel culture, everything moves so quickly.

Mm-hmm. That, you know, the ability to not judge and not particularly not judge yourself and be wherever you are and then continue to move along that process is, yeah. Is uh, you know, something that we sort of lost as we got into this very transactional and quick moving media culture and, you know, maybe part of what's happening now is we're having a chance to back off from that a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. Good ones. Good one. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Nice guys, so much for rapid fire. Thank you for helping me.

Yes. Sorry, girls like to, I like to talk. Yes. And I want to go deep. I'm not into, yeah. Okay. Uh, so are, are we bypassing you, Matt, or are we gonna come back to you? No. Yeah, yeah. I, I seeded my time here. He seated. Okay, good. But you know what, I wanna, I wanna echo what you said because for me, I felt like I couldn't say anything ever.

Mm-hmm. For all, almost all my life. So I was just kind of holding that in. So I, I relayed to how you felt cuz I, I was just, if I felt bad, I would just kind of hold it in and I would wonder if it would go away. And I was, I felt like I would wonder for like, Months or something like that. Mm-hmm. And now if something happens, I just say, I was like, oh, blah, blah, blah.

And then it, it never seems to last more than like 10 minutes. Mm-hmm. Because I can just process through it. Mm-hmm. And so I think that that's a amazing thing for you that you said, Barb, you got the next one. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, in the last five years, What have you become better at saying no to any invitations, distractions, it's easy, et cetera.

What new realizations have helped? That's easy. I, I actually, this is fresh in my mind because I just got invited down to compete in this kind of like hardcore masochistic, manly man event in Texas with shooting and swimming and hauling heavy loads and, um, I am still struggling with the transition from being an athlete into being what I know is kind of my bigger calling in terms of impact and fulfillment.

And that is being a mentor, being a spiritual leader, being a motivator, being someone who doesn't necessarily inspire people by going out onto the field of battle and competing. Which, let's face it, I'm not gonna be doing anyways when I'm 80. And, uh, my acceleration to a body that will feel like I'm 80 is only gonna be, uh, vastly increased by my participation in these type of events I've been doing for the past 20 years.

And I've identified myself with, and, you know, I've gotten invited to so many swim run competitions and random, like, screwed up versions of triathlons and obstacle course races and heavy man lifting and strong man lift. All this stuff. And I have had to learn that most of the time my pulling towards a lot of those activities is based on ego.

Mm-hmm. Based on the fact that I've identified myself as an athlete for so long that it, it was really hard for me for a long time to just say, no, I can't, can't make it. Yep. And, and like this, this last event, you know, it's like I look at it and look at all the events that they're gonna be doing. I'm like, oh yeah, I could totally win this.

Like, I'm gonna totally go there and clean up. And I'm like, but you know what, that's two days of travel flight, Texas, two days of sitting around shooting the shit with a bunch of guys, you know, lifting stuff, exercising, not really necessarily, Creating meaningful shit for people. Mm-hmm. Or doing what I know is gonna be my true calling or even being around to, to raise up my boys or be with them or take them out of the wilderness or down to the river or out in the forest.

And so I've had to begin to learn to say no to athletic events that I get invited to, that I'm realizing are more simply things I'm tempted to do to fuel my ego mm-hmm. Versus things that are gonna help me to fulfill my impact in the world. Mm-hmm. I can totally resonate with that. Yep. Awesome. Yep. So hang, hanging up the athlete identity and replacing it with the, uh, man meant or leader.

Father King took me two years to actually fully Yeah. To that because it was a huge part of my identity as well. So, so that's what I would say. I get it. How do, how do you feel now? Transformation. How do I feel now about it? I feel. Like, I've already proved myself and I don't need to prove myself anymore.

Mm. That's a good one. That's basically it. Yeah. It's in a very simplified version. That took me two years to get to that. Oh, that was, that was quick though. Most people don't get there. Yeah. Yeah. How about you, Matt? For me, it, it's a little similar. We're saying no to a lot of travel now and, and I'm trying to say no to almost anything other than like, exercise, meditation, yoga movement, mobility medicine and just doing that.

And I feel like we're going to, that investment's probably gonna do more towards improving what we can do for other people. Yes. And so saying no to, to travel and being on the road and saying yes to sort of this, this, our version of that introspection is, uh, it's, I'm, I'm incredibly excited about. Cool.

That's awesome. Okay. Yes, I agree with the no to travel. It's been amazing. It has been amazing to have home. So great food is so much better. I know we used to, I used to come home and it would be, it'd be interesting cuz a lot of times what I would do is I would, I would work is like in the, especially in the older days, I would work and fly and meet like a baseball team, but like take a red eye Thursday night mm-hmm.

And then work and it was interesting. And so then I would basically just kind of stay up all night Thursday night and then work all the way till Sunday night or if you if, or we would do that and go to medical conferences and stuff like that. Sure. And uh, uh, And so come home. Just dying. Yeah. And then a lot of the stuff that I learned was just to, I would come home and inject myself with N A D and stuff like that, and then next thing you know, it, we could almost make it like it didn't happen and it'd be almost perfect, but that was like, we were a little road, we, yeah.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, and so then realizing the possibility of doing, of that we're, we're all way more connected than ever. Mm-hmm. And, and, uh, and it's more sustainable. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think what we've kinda realized is that we had a lot of shortcuts and biohacking is great and you know, do a little nicotine or do a little n na d and do a little peptides.

But what you really need is a feeling. You need to be grounded and you need to be connected to source and taking care of yourself and taking care of the people around you. Connected to your people. Yeah. It's like your community. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Question the last final grand finale question. That'd be a good one.

When you feel overwhelmed or unfocused or have lost your focus temporarily, what do you do if helpful? What questions do you ask yourself? This is hard for me, and this is gonna sound like an asshole reply, but I don't really lose my focus barely ever. I've just never had a problem being focused. I would say about the only time when I lose focus is if I overstimulate my body.

Like too much caffeine or too much nicotine or something that just kind of gets you a little jittery. Mm-hmm. And even then, if I take a few deep centering breaths mm-hmm. Through the nose, out through the mouth, just like we do before dinner each night, just to activate the parasympathetic nervous system, it brings me right back into focus very quickly.

And, um, even when I wake up in the morning and I've got like 20 different things to do, I'll stop here right at the kitchen table and I'll stand and look at that window, you know, like 5:30 AM and I'm like, what do I even, which, which thing do I start with? And I'll just take like three deep mm-hmm.

Centering breaths and, you know, I've, I've always, even as a kid, been able to focus in the middle of complete chaos on a book or a project or a task. So I think some of it might be nature and just built into me as a, my personality and just being able to block things out. But I would say, you know, as silly as it may seem, Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna roll with what I actually do, and that's deep.

Yeah. Centering. Breaths that brings me right back into focus. So, uh, I, I wish I had a sexy reply, but that's really all I do. Then that's the perfect reply because I think that the main reason why people lose focus, and I can speak for myself and just kind of having watched other people, is underlying anxiety.

Mm-hmm. Right? Whatever that is. It could be a physical kind of inflamma inflammatory situation. It could be emotional, you know, anxiety about things that have happened and mental or just reflecting the general anxiety of the society right now, but your breath, so related to the emotional and mental body and just letting yourself do that.

And that goes back to all the old spiritual practices, right? Mm-hmm. You're quiet with your breath. Mm-hmm. And, um, so, you know, we, it's a simple thing, but we forget how powerful that is. Mm-hmm. And just being able to do that. And I mean, I, I noticed that cuz I used to have a claustropho, really bad claustrophobia, which I've gotten rid of.

But even when I'd have that anxiety attack, like stuck on an airplane in the middle seat, I would be like, okay, I got no choice here but to breathe. That's all I got. Mm-hmm. And then I would get through it. Right? Yeah. Because you always have your breath. Yeah. I developed that when I used to run track and field in cross country.

Yeah. Cause you, there is an anxiety when you're on the track. Mm-hmm. Running and controlling your breath. That, I mean, that can make or break your, your run or your race. And if your breath is erratic and out of control and full of anxiety, um, you're generally gonna take Right. And so have to focus, you have to learn how to like, just totally like settle yourself in the midst of something really hard.

That's, yeah, that's a great one. What about you Matt? What you got? All right, so this one pigs. This one pigs this. I've got the hoves. Have I told you about the hoves? What I've got is I've got a dovetail and then we're gonna sneak up on the hoves. I grab a hold of the hoves, I prefer the tail, and, and then I climb to the tail and then I piggyback.

And that's basically what I'm actually gonna do with this answer. Amazing. Which is awesome. It's gonna be amazing. Amazing. So this is a, an interesting one for people that are like practitioners or people out there. And what, I only started to be able to do this basically in the last six to 12 months. And what would happen is, and what happened, I take care of a lot of people with ptsd, with everything from sexual trauma to a lot of war and crazy stuff, and all be in some.

Genre of conversation that feels kinda like this and everything is great, and then all of a sudden, like the cataclysmic event will come out and then when that does, it's, it's. Somewhat overwhelming and distracting and hard to deal with. Mm-hmm. And then what I noticed is, is that there would be like, I would feel like I wanted to cry.

Mm. And I realized that I had, for most of my life, whenever I felt that way, I felt I wasn't safe. And then I would just shut down. And so then I think that in a lot of those interactions, I would've just shut down. And so then time would go, and then I would like come back into my body. And then for this last year, basically what I'll do is I'll just sit with people and I'll look at them and I'll breathe.

And often I'll feel like I want to cry and often even they'll feel like they want to cry, but I'll keep breathing and then I'll talk to 'em like this. Mm-hmm. And I'll feel the emotion inside me. Mm-hmm. And often it's like real intense. But then what happens is, as soon now that we're talking, and I'll tell 'em that I'm feeling really emotional also.

Mm-hmm. And then I'll feel, I'll start to feel that emotion move within me. Mm-hmm. And then, then basically at that point, I'll always come up with like an amazing ID idea that's kind of either funny or whi whimsical or thoughtful. And then that then now, then we will start kind of naturally engaging in that.

And then next thing I know, I. We were in this overwhelming, difficult place. Mm-hmm. And now all of a sudden everybody's laughing is kind of funny. Mm-hmm. And, and so then being able to kind of be, be, I guess, awake and aware and connected in, in that space mm-hmm. Is maybe my favorite thing because that emotion, when it comes, it's so overwhelming.

And yet then once you can kind of process it and do deal with it mm-hmm. Then I'm, I'm left with such an extraordinary sense of hope and optimism about, about life that we can, that these horrible things can happen and yet we, that we can transcend. Mm-hmm. And heal. Yeah. And heal. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I like it.

Very cool. Wow. Well, we, we covered a lot of territory. Yeah. Over the course of 11 questions with these provoking questions from 10, of course, for those of you listening in, if you go to to ben greenfield fitness.com/matt and Ben, m a t t a n d b e n, I really think it should be Jessa and Bar Williams. I, I know.

Do you guys, do you guys have any, I need to be totally honest. Someday. Do you guys have, do you guys wanna weigh in? Do you guys have any final thoughts? I feel like I've contributed. I'm good. I'm satisfied. Yeah. I feel, I feel very complete with the interaction, cuz I feel like that we all brought different things, but came back to the breath and came back to community and came back to connection.

Mm-hmm. And, um, joy and, and appreciation and celebration of life. Yeah. Well, if you guys are listening and, and you do have your own thoughts, comments, questions, feedback, if you want to reply with your own replies, which is would be great. If you have your own replies to any of these 11 questions, go to ben rittel fitness.com/matt and Ben, leave your questions, leave your comments, leave your feedback.

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So that's like all again@bengriefitness.com slash Matt and Ben. Um, so Matt and Barb, thank you so much for, for coming all the way up from San Jose, chilling on our pad. We're gonna have an amazing hike today. We're gonna have some people over make burgers, do sauna, do ice, and we'll have a another wonderful evening.

We're gonna make it hard to leave. Yeah, that's right. You always do. In the meantime, for those of all of you listening in, Have a magical week. We hope that this has been helpful to you. That's why we do this, to serve you, to make your life better, and, uh, to give us an excuse to drink two extra cups of coffee sitting around the kitchen table.

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