Ben Greenfield Podcast with Dr. Cook: Best Anti-Stress Tactics, Neurological Performance Tips & Much More

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You can always reach us at 650 888 7950. All right. I had the pleasure today of speaking with a multiple time repeat podcast guest. I'm gonna give him a secret. This is his sixth appearance on the show. This was a very unique episode though because it was pretty much us getting interviewed by my wife and uh, and, and someone who works with him who you'll also meet during the episode.

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That was like my favorite song. Hey, you guys, it was a great song. We, we are. We're actually recording this. This podcast episode has begun. How's everybody's date going, by the way, before I introduce each of you? Amazing. Feeling good? Yeah. Was this pretty amazing? Super. Yeah. Yes. Sun is out. Red lights. Little cold, crisp in the air.

Yep. Paul's coming. Matt, Dr. Matthew Cook, welcome to the podcast. That's awesome. What have you done to optimize your day thus far? Up here at the Greenfield compound? Is the best. I woke up and I did the biochar Oh, for 20 minutes while standing on the p EMF machine. And, uh, then I did red light, uh, and the nano v did a cold plunge, did a yogurt, yogurt retreat routine.

I can't speak. I did nai. And then, uh, we did a workout. I did a whole bunch of peptides. I did some other injections, um, drank, uh, several amazing, amazing cups of coffee. Mm. Um, did you poop yet? Uh, because that's a lot of stuff to do without pooping yet. I pooped, uh, three times. Okay, good. I'm just checking what time is it?

I'll make sure, make sure we don't have to stop this podcast. I was like, now, now it's three in the afternoon. If, if you get a little bit of a, and I'll be adjusting levels a little bit here as we go. Get a little, little popping on the mic. Uh, if you get a little turtle head poking out, you know, from all that, uh, realization that you've been doing all morning, just let me know and I can press pause on today's show.

So, of course, we're here with Dr. Matthew Cook, who has come up once again from Biocept Medical in San Jose to join not just me for yet another Rollicking podcast episode, which may be the least scientific episode we've ever recorded, but we are about to be put into the hot seat by a couple of hotties.

We also have Barb of Bio Reset Medical. Barb, how would you describe yourself to people? Uh, I'm the person that tries to make sure everything's working and everybody's happy. Whatever that takes. Whatever that takes. So, so you keep things running down there? Yeah. At your, at your guys' regenerative medicine facility in San Jose?

We actually, Jess and I went, we were gonna record this podcast actually when Jess and I visited San Jose. We were going to do exactly what you, the listener are about to hear, in which, uh, Jessa and Barb put Matt and I in the hot seat with a wide variety of questions. But we did not because, uh, we decided to, we had better things to do, do better things, particularly a kind of like a, a miniature retreat, getaway plant medicine journey, which Yeah, that's amazing.

Was was actually really nice. But it resulted in us not being able to podcast together and instead sitting cross laying on the living room floor for eight hours, having an amazing conversation, which was also good. Mm-hmm. So, uh, and then we have Jessa. Yeah. Mother of twin boys. Keeper of the greenfield household.

That's right. I hold the keys matriarch, queen holder of the keys. You look, you look lovely. You shall not pass unless you come through me. Babe. Babe, how many biochar sessions have you done this morning? I've done none. Any, any laser. Any laser lights? Nothing. Now we did all just get injected. Matt, what'd you just inject us with, dude?

Oh, we, that was a cerebral license, so, and, and what's cerebral license do? So it's a, it's a peptide that has a, um, a whole, it's a combination of a variety of different peptides. It's actually from pig brain. Oh, awesome. Um, sustainably harvested pig brain disease. You know, I've actually butchered a pig. Oh, you wanna know the size of a brain of a pig.

How big? Not even a quarter cup. Did you know that the size of your brain does not dictate your intelligence though? Well, although I'm just telling you that theirs is like, A quarter of a effect. They did autopsy, uh, Einstein's brain that is really surprising, did have a, a larger than normal amount of gray matter.

So it is possible that size does dictate intelligence to a certain extent, but pigs are not stupid animals. Mm-hmm. Neither are sheep. I used to think sheep were stupid then they are stupid. Just, and I grew up around them. Remember when we went bow hunting for sheep in Hawaii? Well, domesticated sheep are not smart.

No, but the wild sheep are, they're very smart. They have, they're their own version. Oh. They have their own like sentinel set up and they, they camouflage themselves better than a fricking elk. And they can see you coming like 500 yards away. And they, they set up in these different formations to escape intelligently as you approach with like, I've, I've hunted wild sheep for five days in a row and been unsuccessful before.

They're smart. Back to you, man. I ha I had actually, Barb, still a little traumatized from this, but when I bought my farm, I, I, uh, we had sheep and sheep, goats. They were like a cross between a sheep and a goat. And like they could jump across like a, they could jump across, yeah. A creek. Oh, I And sheep can't do that.

No. Yeah. And then, um, Which we were super pumped about. And then a lion came down and killed us. Oh, a mountain lion did? Yeah. Oh. But then, but it was still, it was like dead. And so then the, the, I was like, not gonna let that go to waste. So you ate, so then, yeah. Oh yeah. So then I cut the head off and then I, I literally roasted the entire head all day.

I'm surprised the mountain lion didn't take it. Did you harvest the cerebral lysine outta spray? Yeah. And then, and then it was, that was the, Single, like I roasted it, um, with herbs and stuff like that all day long. Was it good? And, and then, you know, like you've had like cheek Yeah, it was, and basically what you do is you would take the cheek out and then we would dip the cheek in the brain and it was, and it was, it was roasted and it was, it was still the greatest meal that I've ever had in, in my life.

That was, you did that. There, there are certain things that, that tend to be surprisingly good. Like when we were down at your house and we took the bone marrow bones and made what's called butter of the gods, where I smoked the bone marrow for. About an hour at about 200 degrees. And then for the last 10 minutes, covered it with grass-fed butter and a little salt and thyme and rosemary.

And then we put those on top of burgers and had had bone marrow on top of burgers, which is kinda like no map stories. It's, it's kinda like cheek on top of brain. These are, these are the, that's so good. These are the turkeys and cranberries of the wild animal kingdom that nobody's talking about. Yeah.

But anyways, back to cerebral ing. What's Yeah. And pig brain. What's, what's cerebral lysing from pig brain gonna do for us? Well, so, so, uh, some people use it to improve, you know, neurological or brain performance. I, I have quite a few people who, uh, I've been taken care of that have dementia and stuff like that, and people will, yeah.

I just got a text from somebody that said, oh, my wife is, uh, been enjoying herself more. She's, her memory's been a little bit better, thinking more clearly. And so there's a Oh cool. A, a lot of evolving protocols of taking care of people. Um, To, uh, fix bigger problems. The other thing that's, that's sort of interesting is, is that, uh, I injected it for you in and around where the nerves are, where you pulled, uh mm-hmm.

Your muscle mm-hmm. Where I pulled my muscles, do my polyps this morning. And so Interesting. A lot of times if you can just calm the nerves down and fix them and, and, and, and it seems to be really great for nerves, I'll, I'll use it for hydro dissection. Mm-hmm. So I'll put it around nerves and, um, and, and so I'm, I'm cautiously excited to see how you feel.

Uh, after the podcast I feel great, but probably cuz I'm smoking a pipe at 10:00 AM in the morning is really good. Tobacco, prior to everything else likes the laundry. I got cerebral lysine and nicotine, and then I made you guys a bone broth smoothie. Mm, that's amazing. Which, that's one of my favorite smoothies.

I use the ancient nutrition bone broth and then I, uh, I, for the liquid use the Kettle and Fire bone broth liquid, so it's got bone broth powder and bone broth liquid. And you, you do that all over ice. And then you add, uh, what I put in this morning's smoothie was, uh, colostrum, sea salt, stevia. Cinnamon and then you blend that all up.

Oh, and a little bit of cacao. That's right. Cuz we know cacaos a wonderful, wonderful herb, especially for a little morning blood flow. It's a bean a beam. Sorry. It's okay. And so you, you a high ate containing bean that everyone's gonna be concerned about now and then, um, this is the Truth and Reconciliation committee over.

That's right. There's more fact checking. Then you blend it all up and then we put things like coconut flakes, dark chocolate and some frozen berries. And you just kind of choose the toppings that you desire. So yeah, we, we had a good morning between cerebral lysine and a workout. All the little contraptions, the little bro boss smoothie.

And, and now, now we're about to jump into like, missing out podcasts. Yeah. Jess has done nothing. Jess has made, I just basically made half of dinner, drinking a cup of coffee. Um, okay, so, so here's the deal. And, and I'm gonna put all the show notes as well as the previous five podcast episodes I've done with Dr.

Cook on everything from, um, from, from SIBO to Nerve Hydro dissection to Ketamine. We've talked about so many things. And a link to all those previous podcast episodes. If you go to ben greenfield fitness.com/matt and Ben, that's ben greenfield fitness.com/matt and Ben, because today Matt and Ben. Speaking about myself and the third person.

Yeah. Again, narcissistically, well, well done. We're gonna get put in the hot seat. And what we have done is we have very selectively chosen, I mean, stolen 11 questions, 11 questions that Tim Ferris actually came up with and used for his book Tool of Titans, and also tends to ask many of his podcast guests quite frequently when he interviews them.

Um, Tim is a friend of mine, so I'm sure he's not going to get too litigious over me stealing some of his questions. But we thought we were gonna come up with all of our own questions for Jessa and Barb to ask Matt and I, and then we thought, you know what, Tim's already figured out some of the best questions to get.

Yeah. Just decent life advice from people. And, uh, so, uh, Matt and I have actually not really reviewed these questions aside from just finding, finding them, Tim's website, texting 'em to you guys. But we are ready to get to get put in the hot seat. And so you ladies can just. Fire away with, with whatever you'd like to ask.

No, but can I say one thing? Mm-hmm. I want to say like, honestly, from, literally from the bottom of my heart, thank you to Tim Ferris, because it was, it was, it was so amazing that when I first found, I, I did, I, I did, uh, he was, I, I didn't meet him really personally, but, uh, I did my RKC certification with him.

And so then he, he was podcasting and so then I was, I, I saw him there. He gave a little talk, and so then I started listening to his podcast then, and this is like years and years ago, and that was the first. Time that I basically heard about podcasting and what was happening. Mm-hmm. And then I took it to all my surgeon friends and went, like, we all started listening to it like we would, and I feel to, to Tim's podcast, to Tim's podcast.

And I feel like it fundamentally changed my life. And I, I saw that there was like a way to become self-expressed and actualize and live your life. Mm-hmm. And I fundamentally think that he, he was like the single person who put me on this path more than anybody else. Well, right on. Yeah. Thank you. All right, Tim.

Tim, if you're listening, there you go. That's, that's a nice compliment. Actually. Tim Tim's book, uh, four Hour Work Week was, yeah. Was a book that actually, I remember when you read that. It changed a lot of the way I ran my business. Yeah. When I realized how much could be, uh, outsourced, I hired my first virtual assistant.

I began to think more about the things that I do well versus the things that I didn't need to be doing, like say mowing my lawn. Uh, and yeah, that actually changed life quite a bit. And Ben's not good at mowing the lawn. Well, oh my God. Me neither. I figured this out when I was a kid. If there's like Mohawks in the lawn, your lawn is beautiful.

Last, if he doesn't mow it, if there are certain things that you don't really have a great passion for doing, and you just decide, I'm not gonna do this, well, then you're not gonna be asked to do that. Task very often in the future, like loading the dishwasher or washing the car. So yeah, me and my brothers figured that out at an early age.

If we did a kind of shitty job washing the car when mom and dad asked us to, then they would come out and finish the job and they would just figure out other things for us to do, aside from washing. See, my mom would stand out there and wash us, do it until we did it the right way. Way. Yeah. See, I think men, I think men are more likely to do that.

Yeah. Do something poorly so you don't get asked to do that again thing. Yeah. My mom wouldn't let that life experience. Not, not that I endorsed that way. She make you wash it one, two, maybe three times. Shirking one's responsibility. All right. Who wants to go with question number one? Oh, and what you get Can, I'm, I'm I out of, I'm out of butane on my pipe torch.

Matt, can you reach that, that lighter that's right there by you? I can't, without unplugging my microphone. But you're, you're within distance of the torch that I can use. Know all. I feel a little like I'm in alert of the ring scene here. Oh, I like, I do his pipe. It's pretty awesome. I, that's the most hilarious, harsher.

It's the most hilarious pipe I've ever seen. I love this. The smell of it. Where is Meredith? I about the smell of it's great Mary Pepper's by my plant medicine facilitator. And apparently it's a very special pipe that, uh, is like a limited edition long stem pipe. And, uh, he gave me some of his wonderful organic tobacco.

You guys smelled that? Yeah. That smell good. Like it's a homeopathic dose of, yeah. I only want the homeopathic dose, but it's delicious. Yeah. All right. What's question number one? Let's do this. All right, Barb, I'll let you start. Okay. So Ben, what is the book or books you've given most as a gift and why? I would say one of them is, A wonderful treatise of Bo both the rational and the irrational decisions that human beings tend to make and how those can affect the way we communicate with them.

It's called Poor Charlie's Almanac, written by Charlie Munger, who is, uh, Warren Buffett's partner at Berkshire Hathaway. Uh, and it's, it's a book just chock full of, of wisdom about the way that people think. So that one I've gifted multiple times. Poor Charlies Almanac. And if I could name one other that I think I, I have probably, probably given away quite a bit recently, or at least gotten from people quite a bit recently.

Gosh, there's, there's a lot, a lot of them, but one, one that comes to mind, I'm blanking on the actual. Title of, and so we can take it to Matt, you remember, we'll take it to Matt. And I'm, I'm going, I'm going to, to remember the title of this book because, uh, or that, that'll look it up. But Matt, why don't you go, but I'm, I'm gonna go with poor Charlie's Almanac for now, and then I'll tell you the other book momentarily.

But, uh, Matt, what's yours? There's this book and it's called The Brothers K. And it's a, it's a, it's a story that's an, a story of an Americana of an American family. It's like a, it references, uh, the Russian, uh, uh, book by this with a similar title. But, um, it's, it's, uh, it's. The tapestry of an American family, uh, that goes through multiple generations.

And I, I connected super deeply to it in many of the characters. And, and I think it touches on themes of family and difficulty and challenge and transcendence. And it's a, it's a sweet and, uh, powerful read. Hmm. And that one's called the brothers K. Yeah. The brother kid, David, David, James Duncan, David. Okay.

Okay, got it. You know, I, I can't find this, uh, this other book that I was thinking of, but I can tell you another one that I, I tend to recommend to people quite often is, uh, uh, a lot of people ask me about my faith. And, uh, an author who I really like named Seth c s Lewis, he has a book called Mere Christianity.

Mere Christianity, which is just like a basic, really good overview of, of hope and Christianity and, and Jesus, and just this idea that it is possible. That, uh, despite me getting a lot of flack for this belief that the, uh, the planet was created by a giant magical God fairy in the sky, and how cool and magical a world that we live in based on that.

So I would say mere Christianity. And then also, uh, poor Charlie's Almanac would be the two books that I've gifted most, which I've never even seen that book in her house. Mere Christianity? No, no. Poor Charlie's Almanacs. Two, I don't even know this book. Two. Maybe you'll get one for Christmas on. Sure.

Perhaps. Now, Jess Jessa reads what? Like maybe I'm a visual. Yeah, very. I don't read very much, very little. Ill listen. Yeah. But I don't read often. I, I literally read, or for a while, read almost a book every day and have a massive library downstairs. And, uh, I, I rarely give Jess books to read just cause to be totally honest and truthful.

I didn't finish a book until probably my mid thirties. Now dys, do you wanna share with people why that is? Well, that because I'm dyslexic and I, and reading is an absolute chore. Yeah. Really. Well, Jess sees, she sees words as shapes. She's, she's a, I'm a very artist visualist, so she's an amazing visual graphic artist, but she sees words as shapes.

So the word like the, is not t h e, it's, it's just this shape. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Super. Your brain, how, how is it for you to read now? What's your experience of that? Um, it's, I feel like, well I was talking to Barb the other day. Once I introduced a lot of fats into my diet, it really helped me quite a bit.

And then also reading to my children, cuz there's no judgment with your kids. Um, it actually really boosted my confidence in reading, especially aloud. And then that carries over into just reading for yourself. Um, so when you have the confidence, you're, you're not thinking about, am I doing this correctly?

You're actually listening and understanding what the book says where for most of my life it was like, Am I reading this correctly? Are people judging me by the way I read, you know? Mm-hmm. You're more concerned about the outward appearance mm-hmm. Than the actual words and what they mean. Mm. And there's like an interesting part about people who were dyslexic seemed to be more successful, a per, at least a percentage of them.

And why do you think that, why do you think that that might be, well, like what was your, and, and have you, cuz I, it's really interesting to think of you with that background and, and from, from some of our conversations. Yeah. Because I think of you as a very successful person. Thank you. Um, I think a lot of it is you have to be adaptable because most of the world functions in this certain way of, you know, reading and, and, and comprehension and whatnot.

And you don't, and so you have to figure out. How to survive in that situation. So it's a very much a, for me, especially as a survivalist mentality, um, especially cuz I was in a school that was a reader based school surviving was really challenging and you get very creative on how to do that and you become super adaptable.

Bring the thunder epic. You, I didn't. I see. Well done. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't, it's me, not me. But that superpowerful, that accent is only funny if you actually see me smoking my pot. Alright, what's, what's our next question? Okay, ladies, I, before I wanna finish this up because I love the fact that you named a CS Lewis book and I just want to call that out.

He's an amazing theologian, an amazing writer who. Who from his face and from his understanding wrote for his children to explain to them these complicated concepts. Yeah. And he wrote The Chronicles of Narnia, which is, which is a great, I have given that set of books I love the Chronicles of, and my oldest sister gave those books to me and it was a huge gift.

And so if you're looking for something to buy children, also if I'm that you write a science fiction series, I've started Space Trilogy. It's amazing. Yeah. But he has a really great book on mourning, like people who have lost, um, I, and I can't recall the name of it, but it's come up a couple of times in the last couple months, um, that had just really helped people, if they've lost somebody, we'll hunt it down and put it in the show notes.

Yeah. It's a really, okay. Yeah. So we'll put all the books@bengreenfieldfitness.com slash Matt and Ben. I'll link to that, that CS Lewis book on morning too. Your, your kids. It like, I love Narnia with every ounce of like my being mm-hmm. Like, and Aslan and like all the characters. And your kids have a little bit of that vibe of being, they're, it's like they're on a spiritual magical journey, right?

Yeah. Like, which is just super cool to watch them like going through that like, yeah. And that series I thought was so good because it starts. With them as in, in, in different stages of being young. And wa you watch them as they're maturing mm-hmm. Both spiritually. Mm-hmm. And then in, in their physical and Yeah.

And, and, uh, life. They go from not battling to battling and they, and they go from being children to being kings mm-hmm. And queens. Mm-hmm. You know how last night we were saying we're gonna be in trouble if the first question we get into, we're gonna be a half hour into the podcast by the time are we half hour in already?

Yeah. So we, we should, okay. We should, we should make sure we don't rabbit hole too much. Okay. Yeah. But it's just so fun. I know. It's, it's fun to converse as well. All right, what's the next question? Okay. Uh, number two, Ben, what purchase of a hundred dollars or less has most positively impacted your life in the last six months or in recent memory?

My readers love specifics like brand and models, where you found it, cetera. I would say something I use almost every day when I'm walking. It's a breath control device that trains you to engage in carbon dioxide retention while you walk. And it is, it resists your exhale so that you're forced to take these deep, long inhales through your nose.

And then as you exhale, because your exhale is resisted, you retain carbon dioxide, which helps to offset oxygen delivery into muscle tissue, helps to increase your nitric oxide consumption or production. And it leaves you feeling after you've been on a walk while using this thing as though you're in like this deep meditative state.

Because we know now from books like James Nestor's, uh, book, uh, uh, breath and I, I interviewed him about this, that carbon dioxide inhalation is now being used for things like PTSD and stress control. And while it's often vilified as like this acidic waste molecule that's bad for the body, it's actually an incredible molecule.

It does a lot for you if you can retain especially high levels of carbon dioxide and high levels of. Oxygen simultaneously. So this little device, I got it from a, from a breathwork practitioner named ERs Olsen, and it's called a relaxer. Mm-hmm Relaxer. I have it in my fanny pack over here. Tiny little thing and it hangs around your neck like a necklace.

And when you're out on a walk, you're just putting your mouth and he walk as you normally do. But all you're doing is breathing through your nose and taking these long resisted exhales. I wanna say it's probably like a 20, $30 device, but I use it all the time when I'm walking and I absolutely love it.

Trains me to do like deep diaphragmatic breathing, CO2 retention. So I'm gonna say my relax, ator Nice. Very nice. How about you, Matt? Okay, I'm gonna, what you got? I'm gonna break the rules. Okay. And I'm gonna say something that costs $365. What? That, but, but here's the thing. Okay? That's, this is in California.

And so the compared, so a hundred dollars is like 300, and we don't have any list here in California, Eastern Washington. A hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, but I think it's probably gonna be, uh, so worth it and it's gonna save you hundreds, hundreds, and hundreds of dollars per year. So it pay for itself.

I bought the seventh generation, uh, de detergent free, or, uh, you know, uh, chemical free, uh, uh, washing detergent for years and years and years and years. Is this the thing that cleans your, uh, Washing machine ozone. Yes. Yes. And so it's an ozone generator that goes in before, um, it water comes in and then uh, it gets ozonated and then it goes into your washing machine.

Mm-hmm. And if you have got mold in your clothes or or mold in, in your, in anything in your house, you can put it in there and then you wash it on cold water without any detergent and it gets it super clean and there's no smell of mold or toxins or anything like that. What's it called again? What's it called, Barb?

It's the pure O three oxygen generator. Pure R three. We're getting that's coming in the mail over us. You've got one in the mail? Yeah, I think we have one and it got the lake. It was supposed to get here a few weeks ago. Well, that's fine cuz the washer's not getting yet either. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, it's amazing.

It's, it's amazing. Okay. So especially if you're concerned about Mo is mold, do you think a pretty big issue? In washers, Matt, like how you're, you're an expert in mold remediation and cleaning up in the body. So it's, it's so big in front loading wash machines. Mm-hmm. And I had it. Embarrassingly before I really knew about this and three washing machines in a row and like different places that I lived.

Yeah. And then I mo moved the house that, like you guys, I moved into that house and it had a washer and dryer and it had, it was full of mold on the inside. And I bet my, yeah. And so then the first thing before I moved in was I got rid of the front loader. I always tell people to do that and then put in, put in a top loader and then put the ozone thing in between.

That's what I have coming in the mail. You're gonna, you're gonna love it. My mind's gonna be blowing. I've got, I'm gonna give you a money back guarantee on that. Take a to domestic goddess to a whole new level. Yeah, absolutely. Cause what you notice is that, is that you, if you use a towel three or four days in a row and it still smells perfect, like it just came out of the dryer.

Yeah. That means you got all the stuff out. Okay. And so you, I can't wait for this. And I'm gonna tell you how that's not what's happening in my house right now. I'm gonna, and so what happens is, is because the towels I used to have to. Over dry them to get any of that mold smell. Yeah. And so the towels that you guys have out, sometimes I would notice the ones by the cold plunge will have a little bit of mold smell.

Yes. That's gonna go away. Perfect. It's gonna be amazing. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah. Okay. I guess I'll let you suggest that one, even though it's more than a hundred. Okay. I apologize. Alright, we'll roll with it. Okay. Rebel. All right. Are we ready to you, Barb? Let's do it. Okay.

Let's do it. All right. Hey, Ben. All right. This one's about failure. I love that. How has a failure or a parent failure set you up for later success? I, I like that question because as you guys experienced last night, our, our family does self-examination every evening where we go around and we ask each other, what good have I done this day and what could I have done better this day?

And like I was saying last night, it forces you to press, rewind on your day, review your day, which in and of itself is, is a wonderful way to just analyze how you lived, how, how, whether or not you wasted your life, so to speak, or whether you actually rose the occasion, lived out your life's purpose that day.

Mm-hmm. But part of it too, when you're asking yourself, what could I have done better? You're looking at your failures and what you've learned, which are reality for your failures. There are, there are many, of course, but I would say. A failure that that set me