Dr. Cook Q&A Series: Dr Terry L. Cochran, MD Doctor, Metro Washington DC Area

 Uh, we've seen cases that have been actually resolved. We, we saw one of the, what were the first cases that was, um, misdiagnosed early in December. He had, had a lot of health conditions, had blood pressure, diabetes, um, had, um, RA um, had a lot of joint pain, but he, he was able to bring himself out of it.

Okay. Awesome. Hey, it's, um, director Matt Cook and, uh, we're talking today and it's Friday, March 20th, uh, of the pandemic. And we're excited, uh, because we have Dr. Terry Cochran, uh, with us today. So welcome Terry. Thank you Matt. Great to be here with your audience. Oh yeah. So, um, I'm delighted to have you here maybe, um, we met at a mastermind a couple years ago, and I've super enjoyed, uh, talking to you.

But, um, tell me, tell us a little bit about your practice and then maybe tell me, tell me a little bit about, tell me a little bit about how your day has been today. Okay, well, thank you. Uh, well, I have a clinical practice here in the metro Washington, DC area. And, and though I'm not a doctor, I have a naturopathic doctor that is in my clinic.

And we have, um, we've minted, uh, the Global Sustainable Health Institute, under which my methodology and then my supplements and everything else is, is, um, really underpinned. And so I have developed a, a personalized. Model that looks to seeking to bring the body to sustainable health using your current, uh, your genetic blueprint and your current state of health.

And we've seen thousands and thousands of clients over the last 15 years of practice, and we've had just really, uh, truly efficacious and sustainable results, whether it's Hashimoto's or infertility or MS or working with professional and Olympic athletes. And our week, I was just sharing with Richard, has been, uh, remarkably busy.

So, um, we've actually gone to a virtual consult now just to honor, uh, safe, uh, and responsible citizenship where we can, um, and we'll take in some special cases, but we, we've gone virtually and it, it's been, it's been quite a, quite a busy week. Are you seeing any patients in your practice? Um, we saw, uh, a couple of, uh, autistic patients we saw this week in practice.

We, we really were highly selective as to who we're seeing physically and we're using all, all modes as of practicing safe, uh, interaction. Interesting. So tell me your thoughts. Tell me your thoughts about, uh, Corona and, uh, what, what, what you've seen so far. Have you seen any cases or, or, uh, consulted on any cases over the phone?

Uh, we've seen cases that have been actually resolved. We, we saw one of the, what were the first cases that was, um, misdiagnosed early in December. He was a 67 year old, um, man who'd had, has a lot of, had had a lot of health conditions, had blood pressure, diabetes, um, had, um, RA. Um, had a lot of joint pain, but he, he was able to, um, bri bring himself out of it.

And, um, what we're seeing is any, in his case, what we saw was anything that agitated the nervous system was really, um, contraindicated for him. And so, even post, um, uh, exposure and infection, we're really just looking to calm the system and modulate immunity instead of exacerbating immunity. And we, we do applied kinesiology in my practice and looking at, um, elderberry and astragalus and ashwagandha in his case, were not, they were, they were contraindicated for him.

Oh, really? So that's a, that's a good one. Tell people what, tell people what, um, applied kinesiology is and how you use that technique to determine what supplements to get these home. Of course. So we call it MRI and the wild. Um, so applied kinesiology is a methodology by which, um, a, an individual will hold a vial that carries an electromagnetic signature of anything from garlic to streptococcus or, um, aurelius.

And when we apply pressure to their arm and we complete a circuit between ourselves and the, the patient client, if that vial that has that electro negative signature, uh, has an impairment to the body, then it effectively breaks the circuit and their body, meaning that there is, the nerve conductivity is lost and the nerve cannot fire to the muscle to hold, uh, strength in that arm.

And I'm a, I'm a, a petite woman, and, um, as I say, I, I beat professional athletes up when, um, they can note they have no muscle strength against whatever it is that I'm holding. Uh, they're holding, uh, in their hands and I call it their kryptonite. And it's, it's, we really like about it. It's very efficacious.

Efficacious, and it's real time feedback from the body. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've, I've actually have quite a bit of experience with, with the, that genre of technique. Which, which, uh, which specific back what, what, what, uh, do you study traditional ak, or is, is, is there a, um, a person that you studied with? I studied, I studied traditional ak, and I can't even remember the gentleman.

Uh, he was the ORI originator, but then I developed my own methodology because I felt that within that model, the body was not giving us enough information. And so, My methodology of AKs, we really look organ to organ and we look at the ground zero, uh, uh, piece of the body or organ of the body or system of the body that then drives and informs everything else.

Okay. So then I'm gonna dig into this one. And this is just kind of interesting for people to sort of follow through, uh, sort of a perspective of how to take care of someone. So you have a case of someone, and he was sensitive neurologically. Did he, did he present with respiratory problems, uh, and pulmonary situations, or did he, did he not have that?

That he did? He did have, he did have pulmonary issues, yes. And then how did the neurological, how lo, how long afterwards did the neurological, uh, uh, expression come. The neurological expression. He, so he presented in late November, early December, and even though he didn't have overt neurological symptomology, vis-a-vis are, are applied kinesiology testing, he was not, he was not, uh, holding, if you will, to anything that would be excitatory.

And we also, we also checked myelin through our AK methodology. And that was, that was still not fully, uh, fully, if you will, um, balanced. And so what we did is we helped support myelination through, um, fossil choline, which is so important for cell membrane and, and the myelin sheath along with vitamin D.

Uh, and he, it was interesting because any form of b12, whether it is methyl cabal with folate or with folic acid or by itself or hydroco, he still failed any, anything that was going to effectively upstart the nervous system. And, and you said he tested negative for you. You said you mentioned three herbs, I think at the beginning that he Oh, yeah.

So, so the, the herbs that, that his body did not like were, and it, it was really interesting because it was an affirmation to some of that, which has been, uh, proffered, um, ashwagandha, astragalus and elderberry. And those three herbs tend to, uh, increase interleukin six. And what we have seen, he also, which is really interesting, Matt, he, he didn't test well against mast cells.

And so that, um, and the prostaglandins one, two, and three. So he failed those. And so what was really interesting there is that it was proving out just empirically, but it was proving out that these herbs that tend to, um, avail the body of interleukin six was, um, in line with, um, a potential histamine slash mast cell slash cytokine response.

So, uh, we found that to be fascinating. So then for people to, for people that are listening, when this, this sort of is to me almost like a little reminiscent of what, how I think about like, complex patients that come in for, for simple cases. It's almost like all you have to think about the common. What's the most known, effective treatment?

So it might be a drug or might be an antioxidant or a vitamin, and the most people will do really great with, with a simple treatment. But for some of the really complex patients, they may, they may not respond to what is a traditional, what's a traditional, well known modality and

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The, and so then it's a journey trying to figure out and so what the, what the best is and what people will respond to. And so, um, so that's interesting. And then what, what we know is, is that after people have a pulmonary event, and then particularly in pneumonia, that's when people can start to have this thing where their body starts to drive inflammation.

Yes. And when it drives inflammation, um, if that gets outta control, we call that a cytokine storm. And there's a number of inflammatory cytokines. One is called, uh, interleukin, uh, one one's called TNF alpha. And then, um, I think you probably put tn uh, uh, I six in that category. Mm-hmm. Yes. So kinda interesting.

Any other experiences that you've heard of in terms of talking to people about cases? Well, what we're finding is that, um, depending on, we had a, a case where a, um, a six year old was exposed and it was, we call it C of one. So it's one degree of separation. Now we're, we're, we're calling it C one. C of C of N.

Right. And in her case, she, uh, was exposed and was not tested by the pediatrician. And we just received this feedback today. But she did develop an inflammatory, uh, response, a histamine response, if you will. Now, uh, her, she was having a lot of runny nose and no cough, but she was running a low grade fever.

And so what I find with other viruses, Matt, is that if the body is strong enough, you're, you're, you, you're running at around 99 to a hundred. Not those big spikes. And um, I just found that to be fascinating. Again, empirical. But she may have been exposed, the body is fighting it. Um, and in her case we have her, I see their entire family and her mom is 32 weeks pregnant and they've, they're self quarantined.

So we were very much, uh, looking to, um, make sure that, that, that mom to be, uh, was, was being protected and, and, and, and fully isolated. But I find that was really interesting. She was, she of one, one degree of separation. Her teacher was, um, tested positive and then she came down with, um, what appeared to be respiratory and that low grade fever, which to me doesn't appear to be bacterial.

I usually don't see bacteria as that 99 to a hundred fever. Now did are, were you able to get any testing done? No, the pediatricians wouldn't test for her. They said that she was low risk, unfortunately. Yeah. So that illustrates another problem. We, you know, I, I, I reviewed two or three cases of people who went in, uh, hospitals multiple times and kept getting sent out.

There was one person that went in and outta hospital a couple times, ended up with $35,000 worth of hospital bills and never ended up getting treatment. And so it's, um, and, and, and that probably represented a moderate amount of exposure to the hospital staff. So we're sometimes it feels like we're almost fighting against ourselves in this battle.

Um, so it's been a, it's been a super frustrating sort of experience for me the last couple days. Absolutely. And what we find here, I'm in the metro DC area and we are at. A cherry blossom peak practically. And so pollen is through the roof and it's a very fine line between is it a histamine response from the pollen or are you really actually covid 19?

Because in some cases, pollen will, will elicit flu-like symptoms with a low grade fever. Right? Right. So this one girl in particular hadn't had a history, has not had a history of spring pollen allergies. So it was a departure from her historical, um, profiling and, and how she present presentation rather.

So that's another thing that we need to look at. And we look at it in our, in our practices, how is, and we extrapolate from that because again, this is, this is a disease of extrapolation right now because it's things are changing so quickly. So we have to look at the history of the individual. And if in every other year they've never had any kind of, uh, pollen symptomology, right.

And all of a sudden, It's the same time of year and they're presenting with what I've just shared, then we have to look further. Okay. So then I'll take you up on that. Um, tell me, tell me, let's say somebody comes in with, uh, in the DC metro area and it's a, they, they're allergic to the cherry blossoms and they're having a histamine response.

How does, how do they typically present to you and how's and cause that's interest, that's gonna be interesting for people to hear, hear that side of it. Well, it's really interesting, Matt. What I say is it's gonna go to that person's inflammasome, so inflammasome ORs, or zones of inflammation in the body.

So if your, if your weak spot is. You may change the way that you are, um, uh, experiencing your stools. You may have a runny stool. If you have, um, if your weak spot is, let's say you have ligament laxity, you're gonna be falling out of alignment more and you may have some more joint pain. So this is why, this is why the thing is never the thing you've gotta look at.

Where is that potential person's inflammasome? It can present very differently, more than just, um, I have sneezes and, and I have histamine response because it's really interesting that when we test people through the applied kinesiology, they'll say, oh, I don't have any pollen allergies, but boy, my stomach really hurts.

Or, I don't have any, uh, pollen allergies, but my cervical spine keeps going out of alignment even though I keep getting adjusted every week. So we look to those areas of inflammation or you know, air quote weak points in the body to see is it exacerbated during this period? And then we treat it. Like a pollen sensitivity.

And one of the things that I really like, which is benign, it's a mast cell stabilizer, is chromin and you know, that's an old line mast cell stabilizer. And you can take chromin, and this is by prescription. You can take chromin five, five ml orally or over the counter, which I'm actually really recommending because it, it is inner and benign otherwise is naro, which is, you'll have a chromin spray in, um, in the nose that can actually help modulate again, my goal for this, for this season, whether it's a histamine or a 19 that we really aren't testing, can't test for in our office, it's modulating that that histamine response, which is a part of that larger HPA access.

Ok. So then, um, this, that's really good. So I'm gonna dig into a couple things you said. Tell me what, tell me your definition of inflammasome. Cause that's a, that's a good word. Ok. So I did not make it up, although I, I make up words all the time, but I did not make up, uh, my inflammasome are zones of inflammation in the body that where you have an inflammatory cascade cascade in a specific area of the body, not, it is not systemic.

Right. Right. And so you can have an inflammasome that is, for example, the, the cornea of your eye. Or you can have an inflammasome that is in the, um, uh, in your wrist, right. It can be, it can be joint specific, it can be organ specific, it can be musculoskeletal specific. So then this is a good one. And this I think introduces maybe an interesting idea for people to begin to hear, which is, is that in, when inflammation starts to get out of control, that can happen from all kinds of processes that we're exposed to, like every day or every year.

As an example, cherry blossoms can create a little bit of an overreaction where our body is, becomes a little too sensitive and then has this hyper response. And one of the cells that can have that hyper response is, is called a mast cell. So, which is one of the cells in the body. And so then, uh, what Terry's talking about is a technique to calm that mast cell down with the chromelin.

Right, right, exactly. One. Um, do you think that that would have a, a any benefit? Have you have you in in in Covid? I believe it. I believe it will. Again, you know, there's no one magic bullet. I know, although we're looking at Plaquenil and, uh, uh, azithromycin as, as kind of the, the, the drug of, of, of impact, A positive impact potentially for this, um, for this virus.

But my whole philosophy around how do we manage this is a broad spectrum down regulation of any mass cell or histamine response. Because we know that this little sucker likes mast cells and histamines, which goes into a cytokine storm. So anything that we can do to modulate that is a step in our favor.

Right. I've, which tota, you know, so we're looking at, which also goes to high histamine foods. We've gotta be careful what are, what are the highest histamine foods? Yeah. Yeah. So Aer a sprouted or fermented foods or high histamine. And I will tell you that, um, probiotics are high histamine, yogurt is antihistamine.

So I'm actually telling my folks, unless there's a really big need, and I call it the hierarchy of needs, unless there's a hierarchy of needs in the body for taking a probiotic right now, let's not, because mm-hmm. It can't elicit a histamine response and that's not what we want. Instead, take a non fos probiotic, a prebiotic, like an as, a asparagus or an artichoke.

Um, that's also not going to be a saccharide because we know that sugar will also increase speed of any virus. Ok. So then this is a good one because I think it illustrates. Philosophical differences. Uh, cause last night, last night, we were talking about probiotics with jj. Yes. And so the, the, but there was a logic that we were talking about, and then part of that was, well, if you're doing rectal ozone and up upsetting maybe the microbiome in the gut, yes, then maybe it would be great idea to get probiotics in that setting.

Um, but then we were also generally talking about improving gastrointestinal health as a strategy to, uh, make the body more resilient and le and less susceptible to a gastrointestinal, uh, infection of, of the virus. Now then, but what Terry's talking about is a, uh, similar concept, which is, let's make the body really resistant, but the strategy is to limit histamine.

And because, uh, that that has the benefits that she's talking about. Now what, lemme ask you this, do you think that there are some patients that are probably much more sensitive to histamine and so they would really benefit from this advice and others? Absolutely. That probably would be okay. Right?

Absolutely. And this is when we get into genetics. You know, if you've got, if you've got the GAD gene that looks to histamine and insulin and, and, uh, conversion to glutamate, which is excitatory, or if you have the CMT gene, which goes to dopamine regulation of which in those neurotransmitters, histamine can be one.

If you've got a lot of those excitatory genes and they're expressing as such, then you go, okay, maybe not for this person. And again, in terms of what I call healing and sealing the gut, and I'm very probio, I'm pro probiotic. I don't wanna say that I'm not. But in order to heal and seal the gut, one of the things that I'm availing or I'm recommending is it's.

And in this case it's an antihistamine. And I just read a study, um, last, a couple of nights ago that it also helps down-regulate oxalate crystals. And what we know about oxilates is oxilates tend to be biofilm and biofilm is important. When we look at that secondary complication of pneumonia, which is mycoplasic, which is like a biofilm.

And so we don't wanna do anything that's going to elicit the formation of biofilm and asper Gillis will we know does that. And if we have a dysbiotic gut and we are feeding a lot of probiotics into it with those genetics and those predispositions in a high oxalate load, then we've gotta be really careful cuz you're, we're creating biofilm.

And my research and studies show that biofilm will feed amyloids and amyloids or truncated protein structures that increase the virulence of any virus. Now I don't know about Covid 19 because this is a novel virus, but we've seen it. All the other and the herpes family of viruses. Okay. Terry, you just passed your functional medicine oral boards,

so then that's good. So then, um, let's, let's, let's talk about that because I think that's quite, I, I like, uh, conceptually how you're talking because if I can translate a little bit of that, um, there's, first of all, there's genetic influences, but then what happens in the gut, I you're saying, can have a, a very profound effect on what's happening everywhere else.

And, and that can start, if there's a biofilm that has, let's say, yeast, Or mold or um, or parasites or some combination of those. And then that can be like a kinda somewhat something of a forward base of operations that a virus could infect and then move on from. Is, would, is that fair to say? Fair to say.

And actually our, the, the studies that are out there show that it's really interesting, Matt, I call it the ping pong effect. So biofilm tends to lead to the formation of amyloids. Amyloids are these truncated protein structures. And as you, as, as you know, amyloids are homeostatic device in the body, it's inflammatory response, but it's homeostatic.

But one of the things have found is that supply influencing the amyloid load beyond its homeostatic place, actually feeding viral loads. Amyloids from the food supply feed, the viruses, the, the viruses then go in and hide the inside. The biofilm. The biofilm makes amyloids, which then feeds the viruses.

And so it becomes this circular, um, enforcement against our favor. And so the way I look at it is anything that can create an amyloid load beyond a homeostatic state, anything that feeds biofilm, either from a genetic perspective or from a dietary perspective, is influenced in a, the, an increased viral, uh, virulence.

And so what we tend to do is, and what I try to do with my, uh, clients, is to uncover unpeel back. What are their genetic tendencies? What are they experiencing? What is their organic acid test tell us along with our AK in-house assessment and their symptoms. And move from there. And again, Cetin being such a a, a nice little antihistamine and bioflavonoid and a a a, a tight junction sealer I'm all in, even though it tends to dow regulate the cytochrome P four, some, some snips of the cytochrome P four 50.

Again, the hierarchy of needs are antihistamine and tight junction wins the day. Okay, well, I'd like to say that I likein more than anybody west of the Mississippi, but I'm, I'll give, I'll give you the eastern side of Mississippi since you're on side of the country. Uh, so then, um, so then, um, okay, that's good.

Uh, so then if I can interpret that, and I, and I wanna, don't, don't, lemme forget about the oxalates cuz I'm super interested in that. So. So then this, this kind of thoughtful, comprehensive approach that you're taking is helping you try to get a handle on which patients might have, let's say, gastrointestinal biofilms.

Because if they have those and then they're either produce the amyloid or, um, their, their, um, uh, there's Amy in the diet, then mm-hmm. That becomes basically a, a risk for potentially a worse infection. Absolutely. It's a feeder system. And so then this is, as I kind of, to, to maybe just echo what I think you're saying, which, and which I think is interesting is that when, when, um, In, in functional medicine.

That's why I was joking. I said, you pass your functional medicine boards in fun, in functional medicine. Kinda one, I always like to say there's all these functional medicine gangs. There's like the gang, there's the peptide gang, the regenerative medicine gang. But the, all this gang in the book was the gang that was basically trying to heal the intestines.

Because there's a philosophy that if you could just do that, you might, that might have enough of impact that it everything. Yep. Indeed. And you know, again, I, I look at, I look at multi multiorgan, uh, co functionality and ensure functionality, but. Because my, my roots, my roots are in nutrition. Um, we gotta look at the food and we gotta look at how the body, you know, the nutrigenomics is how, you know, food influenced gene gene expression.

So I had like five people call me over the, in the last 24 hours and, uh, to tell me to do something about food and what to do in this situation, what foods tend to be high in amyloid. So through our, through our research, Matt and uh, actually we found the research out in the clinical literature. This is out of studies of Cambridge and Japan chicken, I call it the dirty bird.

And, um, they've asprey my friend, we, we've, uh, maligned the bird. But what we have found is that because of the crowding conditions, and this is outta, these are, these are clinical studies that are out there, the crowding conditions of, and the way that we inhumanely treat the animals. It is, Creating these truncated proteins in their tissue, and they're not broken down by cooking methodology.

And so when we ingest them, then we are now ingesting an amyloid burden. And then back to our, our genetic predisposition, if you have the MTHFR gene C6 77 T, which you're gonna be less likely to be a good producer of hydrochloric acid because, and you have, you may be impaired in bile salt synthesis, right?

So, and you're missing methyl donors. So you're not making trimethylglycine, which is a precursor to, to hydrochloric acid, which is necessary in protein digestion. You may potentially be, as I say, scribbled, right? Because you're, you're getting an amyloid feeder system from the food supply and you're not an optimal digester of hydrochloric acid.

And we know that hydrochloric acid, I say, is the key that unlocks enzymes. So you may be producing enzymes, but you don't have sufficient hydrochloric acid. You don't have the key in the do hotel, hotel room, right? So it's really critically important from that perspective as well. So chicken, beef, uh, have been the most studied, and I just hypothesized that any animal that's crowded, uh, is going to contain more amyloid, uh, structures.

And I've developed a whole way of eating called the Wild Italian Diet. And the subtitle to that is Living as Nature intended because these animals weren't just, you know, burst here on the planet with amyloids in their tissues. We've, we've created this phenomenon. Um, and we've also found, and this is through our empirical evidence of the thousands of clients that we've seen that have been, that have availed the, uh, themselves of this protocol that I've developed is that when you go wild being bison and, uh, elk and antelope, the amyloid burden, Empirically is reduced because what we're seeing in Matt, we've seen this through the clinical outcomes where we have an IgG reactivation of let's say an Epstein bar virus that then yield Hashimoto's thyroiditis and they have TPOs in the 500 that when you bring down that amyloid burden and look to their genetic blueprinting and their current state of health and look at that personalized plan for them, we see TPOs return to normal.

And that really 500, uh, IgG, B B V is down to 40 and 30. You know, so we've seen that reduction in that reactivation of that viral load, and we've seen that over and over again in our practice. Oh, okay. That's, um, and, and that was, sorry, somebody walked into the room and I got interrupted and, and that I'm doing like multiple IVs while I'm talking to you, so we'll judge me.

Um, but, so then, um, and that, and that was you, you got those. Decreases from diet, from dietary changes of eliminating, uh, basically factory, factory fed animals. Yes. Dietary changes and then supplementing to, to their blueprinting, to their blue based on, based on the empty and stuff like that. Yes. Mm-hmm. So then I'm so 100% supportive of that.

And it's interesting, like, you know, some people are always asking me like, what is the one best thing that you can do? And so then I basically just kind of like rotate around what I say just because I'm kinda curious to see what kind of reaction I get from people. Because sometimes it's just, it's interesting because I'm almost trying to get a little bit of outta them and, and maybe trigger a change.

Um, but I think that if there was one thing that I could say to America right now, it might be. Don't eat chicken if it's not organic. Absolutely. And don't, and, and don't eat beef if it's not organic. Right. And even then, you know, I'm saying if you can eat something else like bison or, or, um, pheasant or Cornish game hen or, or go to wild fish, that's even better because we know fish has high, has high selenium, and selenium is a precursor to glutathione, which is the master antioxidant.

But according to, um, the, another genius doctor, Dr. Todd o I was speaking to him recently and he shared that, um, glutathione has shown epidemiologically to lower viral loads. So, um, that's a selenium to precursor and it also helps increase the assimilation and, uh, production, natural production of glutathione, which is super important for those individuals that have an outright sulfur allergy because glutathione is sulfur based.

Right. So, um, that's a good one because when I heard that this outbreak was coming like 15 days ago mm-hmm. Or like when I really heard that it was coming, the first thing that I did was, um, literally go online and order 50 pounds of buffalo. There you go. Yay. Yeah. So that was, that was great. Um, now, and so then, so then if I'm you, gi thing a little bit, great topic for people to kinda wrap their head around as I, as I read the cases and hear the stories about, um, you know, people, people who are really, the people who are dying in, in Italy and, and Spain and France.

Most of those people have two or three systemic diseases or problems going on, and, and, and in general, when I hear about those type of cases, I often think that a gastrointestinal problem might be an antecedent to those. And so therefore, and when, when we're dealing with people that might have neurological problems and cardiovascular problems, and maybe one other thing, we often start to do testing in the GI tract because we're trying to optimize it.

Because it may be that that's where just like, just like we know that when someone gets a pneumonia, we were talking about this and the virus starts to amplify in the epithelial cells. Yes. And we also know that if we make those cells more healthy, they're less resistant to getting infected by the virus.

In the same way, if we can make the gastrointestinal tract healthy, then that might actually make us less susceptible. And, and if there's less biofilm and there's all, you know, that would make us potentially less susceptible to any viral situation. And basically your, your, your experience through things as simple as dietary modifications.

Have I have born that out? It sounds like in, in treating viral problems and looking at viral load? Absolutely. I say if we heal and seal the gut, we can eat rocks and extract this minerals. Now obviously that's an exaggeration, but that means we have such integrity in the, the lining of the gut that we will only extract the constituents, which are.

Are able to be then assimilated through the cell membrane. What happens is when the tight junction, I say a tight junction looks like pantyhose and not tight junction looks like, um, it looks like fishnet stockings, right? And so larger molecules will pass through the intestinal barrier and the body goes uhoh, I don't know you.

And then it goes from histamine to antigen to antibody in the, you know, in the, in the end result. Cause the body is looking at something that it cannot assimilate and bring through it into its cell membrane for use. And then, you know, recombining to something. Uh, cuz we're having billions of little, as you and I are speaking here, Matt and all those listening billions of, uh, little transactions, if you will, are going on inside our bodies.

And the way that's happening is first through the sodium potassium pump. That's why mineralization is so important, especially in these viruses that tend to demineralize and especially those that attack the lungs because you don't have the oxygenation necessary. But we've gotta have, we've gotta have that intracellular communication, but we also have to have that which is moving into the cell membrane to be healthy.

And what's so important is studies show that our cell membranes, which are now meant to are, are deemed to be the intelligent factor, not necessarily the glu, the, the nucleus is that the cell membranes are made up of the fats that we've consumed over the last 60 to 90 days. Meaning that if you've consumed a lot of trans fats, which are not good for you, no bueno, instead of the ential fatty acid, that that cell membrane may become brittle and more susceptible to receiving something that it doesn't need, which can also, you know, short of a dna, uh, botch, right?

So the DNA goes a little haywire on it. In a minimum, it's gonna create an inflammatory response. And so that's why fats are so important. And we look at the epithelial lining of the lungs. And what is so important for that is vitamin A. But a lot of high dosing vitamin A, especially in smokers, has been linked to lung cancer.

So what do I, what, what I, what I'm suggesting is get a, get a lot of vitamin A through your food, all those orange root vegetables and papaya and mango. And then use a little vitamin E. Cause vitamin E I call it, it's like the samurai swords to vitamin A because it unpacks A to help bring it into the tissue.

Excuse me, into the cells. Now that's a good one's. Dive into this before, before we go into oxalates. Okay. Because as people, I think a lot of people have found out that vitamin A is important for immune immune function. Um, and yet, I actually don't know. I wasn't, I wasn't able to find anywhere to get vitamin A because everybody sold out.

Uh, what? So if we're gonna eat, if we're gonna eat, Food, and we're gonna try to get, uh, vitamin A from food, and then we might wanna add some mix tos or vitamin E with that. Which foods would those be? Okay, so the bigger the, the, the more orange, the more vitamin A, um, uh, in, in the, uh, food source. And that's, you know, generalization, but it, it seems to prove true.

Um, I love sweet potatoes. Even though sweet potatoes are a moderate oscillate, again, hierarchy of needs. Sweet potatoes have high amounts of vitamin A and that also helps to regulate insulin and sweet potatoes tend to be high in natural progesterone. Why is that so important? Because in our current environment where cortisol is, is like the 4th of July, right now, everybody's pushing cortisol.

Progesterone is depleted and used to make cortisol, so then progesterone drops. And progesterone tends to be anti-inflammatory for most women. And so that's why I really like sweet potatoes, but sweet potatoes, carrots, pumpkin, papaya, mango, those are really, and most squash is high in betacarotene. And then almonds are really high in vitamin E, but if you have high oxalate, beware of almonds.

Right. So that's a good one. Now tell us your perspective on oxalate. Okay. So really interesting. Matt and I really applaud the work of Dr. Stephanie set up out of m mit. She's a brilliant biochemist and she's blown the whistle many a time on why the heck are we becoming so oxalate intolerant of late? And I will tell you, I have the oxalate jeans, I've got the suox and what I call the the go for jeans.

And throughout my life, I'm Cuban now, so I've been eating black jeans all my life, never have had a problem. And over the last 18 months I've become oxalate intolerant. I'm like, what the heck's going on? And what I will tell you is that glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in the herbicide of Roundup, has had a deleterious impact on US multifold and to the oxalate component.

Why is that corollary? Well, the reason why it's corollary is because glyphosate has impaired the body's ability to make the bacteria that used to metabolize oxalate. Mm-hmm. So now we're de, we are now deficient in that that gut bacteria, that nice little probiotic that used to disassemble the oxalate and send them on their merry way because oxalates, um, are attached to otherwise healthy foods.

And so when oxalates are increased, and especially in the presence of a dysbiotic gut, oxalates were in will increase. And they'll tend to make aspergillus, which is a mold, and then that tends to increase candida, which is another mold, and then candida and oxalis ping pong each other. And why is that so important?

Because candida can disrupt dopamine metabolism. Well, what happens there? We become excitatory. What happens there? More histamine and epinephrine, which then epinephrine will open up the tight junctions of your gut and increase the pathogenicity of whatever is in our E ecosystem, our micro ecosystem. So ants have become bad boys or girls.

They've just become bad. They become bad because our internal microcosm is less able to assimilate them. And they're directly linked in autism. And the autism numbers are going through the roof. Glyphosate is a big bad thing, not only for oxalate metabolism, but for sulfur metabolism, which has also been linked to leaky gut and endocrine dysfunction and mental health.

And Sena points to the fact that glyphosate becomes an analog of glycine. Okay, now we got a problem. Cause what do we need? Glycine is important for the production of chloric acid, which is important. The production of protein breakdown, which is important in the assimilation of amyloids, which then feed viruses.

It's a very complex multifactor loop, but they all, they all are interactive together. So then I'm gonna interpret, um, you know, I thought, I was thinking today that, uh, people were gonna talk to you and get an undergraduate degree in functional medicine, but you're taking them all the way graduate level course.

So, so this is actually really good because, um, if I could sort of interpret this, what I'm hearing, and I would, I would say, agree with this, is that there, uh, are a host of ways, a host of different ways that we can have inflammation in our gastrointestinal tract that might be related to food. It could be related to imbalances of vitamins and minerals that might be related to other infections that we got, and some combination of all of those things that can.

Could potentially make us at more risk for infections. And then those infections and those, those that host of factors can ping pong on each other. And, and if, if you looked at the world from the traditional, I would say naturopathic view or the traditional functional medicine view, then our goal is to try to diagnose those factors and then use strategies that would try to optimize and, and create wellness and balance within that system.

And then that would then lead to potentially a lower risk for, uh, infections or, uh, or potentially, uh, would improve the ability of the body to actually heal those infections. Does that sound good? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, you said it way better than I did. No, well, I dunno about that. So, so then that's interesting.

So then that's, and now then interestingly, and I think this is useful, but then I'm gonna, so then, then you can begin to say, okay, well last night we said you should really be doing probiotics and cycling around the different ones. And then tonight maybe we're saying, oh, we've gotta really be careful about histamines.

And so then we, you know, we gotta maybe avoid probiotics. But then you see from, from 30,000 feet, we're actually having the same conversation and we're just looking at different strategies, right? Yes. And, and again, the probiotics will help diversify the, the gut bacteria. We want them, I call them, we wanna, we want them to be the un Everybody has a boat at the table, not bullies in the sandbox, right?

Because. As you know, only 43% of us is us. The rest is not us and bacteria and viruses and other, other pathogens that coexist nicely within us. But when they become bullies, then we got a problem. And again, depending on if you have that f f UT two gene, then you're not gonna be a good feeder of probiotics.

I have that gene. I don't do well in probiotics, even in, even in the non covid-19 environment. So it, it really depends on the individual and, you know, the body feedback, I, I call it body talk. The body gives us, Ever ending? Never ending feedback loops. It's just that we've not been fought, facile in the, in the, in the language of body.

And part of the work that I do in my practice is if people ask me, what are you, I said, first and foremost, I'm an educator because I try to not only give my clients take this, I don't just say, take this. I say I, I give them the why. And if we get to our individual, why, we'll be much more resolute and informed instead of acting from a place of fear.

And I don't wanna say ignorance cause people are really, they're really intentional on trying to learn, but misinformation because we cannot blank make, I believe we cannot make blanket statements and say everyone should do this or this or this. I think for the Covid-19 scenario, we have to look to modulation.

Histamine downregulation a good gut biome and its integrity within the epithelial lining of our gut and our lungs. We have to look at our, our, um, stress response because we know that lowers immune system function and leaks the gut. And so it really is a kind of a multi-pronged approach where you're actually using a global strategy and then nuanced to the individual.

Hey nerds, if I could interrupt for one second. Uh, since I'm representing the ignorant, uh, patient here, I'm really interested in, uh, where Terry's going. Uh, Like how we basically supercharge our immune system to, uh, prevent getting the Covid 19, uh, to begin with. And then picking up on where you went last night, um, Matt, and into what the heck happens if in fact we do get it.

Um, because if we listen to, uh, our, our government folks, they would say, well, there's nothing really do to prevent it, uh, except for your hand washing and distancing, and there's nothing you can really do to cure it. So that's a pretty bleak outlook, but that's not the way you guys feel about it. Am I right about that, Matt?

Well, yeah. And so that was my next question for Terry. Um, and so I think that's, that's a great point. And so then that, that brings us to. I would say a lot of people in the functional medicine camp believe that if we can start to deploy big picture overall wellness strategies, then that may make us less susceptible, uh, to getting an infection.

And so then if so, then if, if we were to go right to the heart of the matter, um, Terry, if, if somebody's at home and they're, they're looking in their kitchen and they're looking around their house and they're, they're developing their strategy around how to a, protect themselves, and then that'll be first question.

What would be your top five things that you'd recommend? Okay, so since I'm the corten lover east of the Mississippi mm-hmm. I think Cetin is really a broad spectrum helper. And it's, it's generally very benign and has very, very few contraindications across the board. Uh, a second thing is we know that vitamin D in many studies has multiple positive benefits, uh, in terms of not only it lowering a viral response generally, but it helps manage insulin.

It is a hormone precursor and our hormones are being used up like chicklets right now because our neurotransmitters, which are stress are neurohormones. So vitamin D is super duper important. Another thing is that I really think is important is selenium, because even if you have high levels of sulfur sensitivity, let's get selenium.

It. What it selenium is an antioxidant. It also helps. With, um, thyroid function and it is a, an important mineral for the assimilation and creation of our own glutathione, which is not only the master antioxidant, but it's really supportive to, uh, managing according to certain studies, viral load. And then if you're really stuck and you are quarantined and you are, cannot leave your house for those parts of the country that can't open up your culinary herbs, they can serve to be antiviral, oregano, pine, basil, bay leaf.

If you, you can, soup is a wonderful way to create an antiviral apothecary in your home. Tomatoes are very high in lycopene, but they've also been deemed to be very antiviral. Put some tomatoes in your soup. Put some sweet potatoes in your soup for all the properties I stated before, put some asparagus in your soup to get that prebiotic in there.

Put some wild, uh, excuse me, mahogany rice in there because it's, it's the highest protein of all the rices and it has resveratrol it. Some studies show that it's higher in resveratrol than blueberry. And, um, which is another master antioxidant to the liver. And one of the things we haven't talked about tonight, but just super important is our liver is the biggest recycling bin we have, and that's our biggest detoxification of our organ, besides our skin, just from surface area.

But the liver is, is the, is the biggest powerhouse. And again, as long as we are open and, and ample in our detoxification pathways, our toxic burden is decreased. And why I love soup is anything in water back to the, to the principles of homeopathy, it's bioavailability is increased so we can make this beautiful, antiviral, yummy soup that's also nourishing because we associate soup with comfort and safety.

Okay, so that's a good one. So now it's kinda, it's Friday, thank God it's Friday. Um, I mean really I would say today of any, normally, like on Friday, just I could work one more day, but, um, pretty happy it's Friday. So then one thing is just so there's a lot that people can do with cooking and, and probably a lot of herbs that are in their kitchen and they could do, really do some things that would boost their immunity and probably avoid french fries and toxins.

What, what do you, what do you like in terms of detox strategies? Sure. With food that help liver. Okay, so I, I juice every morning with. Cilantro and cucumber. Why? Because cilantro is a chelator. It's a natural chelator, but it's really high in chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is important for lung function because it has a lot of oxygen, right?

And then I love cucumber because it's really high in silica. Why is silica so important? Because it's important for the collagen matrix structure. And I want my epithelial lining and my little alveoli, those little tree trunks, you know, inside the lungs. They like silica. So I do every morning with that.

And then I love the fact that we can use actually some, a little bit of sea salt. We need that sodium, potassium pump. Put salt on your bananas. That's a good way to get your sodium and potassium, um, to help that intracellular exchange, right? So stay away from sugar. Stay away from trans fats. And I'm not talking about all sugar.

We should be availing ourselves of a lot of fruit right now because it has a lot of water content and it has a lot of, um, minerals and phytonutrients, right? So we, when we are stressed, we tend to go to comfort food. Let soup be the comfort food. If you wanna make pancakes, make bucky pancakes for Jira complete protein or oat pancakes cause oat high in those betas and high in fiber is going to help detoxify us.

Right. So we don't, you know, yes, we can do an infrared sauna and we can do colonics, and those are more, you know, very, very down the road of detoxification. But I think I call juicing a nutrition IV because it really bypasses digestion and it goes straight to the liver for detoxification. Okay, I love that.

Now then, let's say somebody has, let's say somebody got a, let's say they tested positive or they're unable to get a test, and, but they, they start to have a, uh, sore throat and they've got a dry cough and they're just, they're, and they're feeling fatigued and this has been going on for two days and they're, they're at home and they're scared.

If, if, based on what's in their kitchen or based on what's in their house or cooking or supplement strategies, how would you support them? Okay, so typically we have vitamin C, hopefully in our homes, uh, either in the form of a supplement or in the form of some, some fruits again, or the orange is the lemons, the limes, the the grapefruit high in vitamin C.

So vitamin C is really critical because it's an antioxidant. It tends to be antiviral. It's an adrenal support. So we wanna look at anywhere in our kitchen, let's find some vitamin C and start making some, um, grapefruit juice or putting lemon in our water. But something else that's super important when you have that sore throat is hydrogen peroxide, which I hope everyone has in their house.

It's inexpensive, but why is I hydrogen for oxide so important because it's anaerobic and it's gonna kill those, those bacteria. And potential viruses because again, folks, we already are coexisting with viruses and bacteria in our ecosystem. 90% of us have been exposed to many of the herpes simplex viruses.

So what we don't wanna do is give other viral strains strengths and other bacterial strain. So gargling with diluted hydrogen peroxide is really important and a very old line. Uh, thing that we have, we should have in our homes is a little bit of dick's vapor rub that, you know, if you, if you rub vapor, rub on your throat and then put like a, uh, not a, a wool, but a scarf, a cotton scarf, that's gonna help with the inflammation at the, um, around the throat.

And actually you can put 'em on the bottoms of your feet and put socks on and actually help stop the cough. Another thing that, um, is important for coughing is to do some really, you know, in for. Skin for, um, five or six and out for three, just breathing, just that gentle breath. We forget that when if we breathe, we're actually increasing oxygenation.

Another thing that's absolutely brilliant for bronchial spasms is magnesium. Magnesium is, is multiple fold beneficial. It is called the anti-stress mineral and it helps with bronchial spasms. And for people that have had asthma in the past, I've recommended magnesium and to stool to bowel tolerance, cuz it does tend to loosen stools.

And that really, really helps with bronchial spasms. So we're talking very basic things, vitamin. Vitamin C, magnesium, hydrogen peroxide, six vapor rub, and then those, um, those antiviral herbs and, and, and fruits and vegetables that I spoke of before. So what it's gonna do is it's gonna calm the nervous system.

Magnesium will calm the nervous system and will help you with those bronchial spasms. The, uh, hydrogen peroxide will help with the sore throat and its anaerobic to these bacteria and viruses. The vitamin C as I mentioned, that's actually called the anti-stress vitamin, but it has all the properties that I talked about as well, and when we're sick, we like that.

And then zinc of course, is really important. Okay. I love that. I'm so, I'm the. As soon as I heard this, I, I bought like 50 pounds in Buffalo and then I, I bought a lot of lemons and started juicing them and then freezing them. Yeah. Yeah. And um, and then I, I've been, I've been doing almost all the same stuff, so I like, um, I like hearing your thinking.

So then maybe, so then it, it's maybe kinda nice cause it's Friday and we geeked out a little bit, but we may have geeked out a little bit more along kinda the food and less high tech kinda stuff that, that maybe, uh, maybe not available for a lot of people right now. Um, uh, so we have had like 200 calls today from people Wow.

Who wanted to talk about some, some of the meds that, uh, are out there. And then one, one of them is called hydroxychloroquine. And then another one's called Azithromycin. And, um, and so obviously, you know, we're, we're trying to kinda find a balance of, uh, uh, between, between, uh, between, um, west and east or integrative and traditional.

Uh, what's your perspective on some of the, the drug-based, uh, therapies for the, for the, uh, for the, for treating the spiral infection? Uh, so the hydroxy chloro, uh, chloro chloroquine is, um, the mouthful. First of all, um, I, I have done some, some research on it. I like the fact that some anti malaria anti. Um, it appears to be in, in terms of the French study that I read, um, it really appears to be truly efficacious.

And I, I, I listened to your podcast last night, Matt, and you, you talked about potential, um, cardiac issues when you, when you combine it with the other, the erythromycin. I really like the erythromycin because again, erythromycin or Zak is super efficacious against mycoplasic pneumonia. And so because this thing likes the lungs, I really like that as, as a, an adjunct, uh, to the hydroxychloroquine.

And again, looking at what's the cardiac, um, Presentation of that individual. Again, back to the nuance, right? But because, because it likes the lungs and then the kidneys of course, uh, and the heart. I really like that combination. Now, what we have to be careful is with quinolones, right? Cuz we have to look to, I had my first client today, um, they live in New York City, and this was a virtual call, but a quinolone put him in to respiratory arrest in the hospital because he had an allergic reaction to it.

So, um, and again, I, I believe that this is a, an efficacious drug. I'm not saying don't take it, but I'm just saying look at your history, right? Um, look at your genetics. Um, and also we're gonna look to the hierarchy of needs. If you, if you, if you've contracted Covid-19, we have to look at your specific presentation.

And your risk factors. But, um, it looks, it appears based on the studies, and again, this is every emerging and hopefully every day we're gonna be getting bigger clinical trials than the 20 that they had in France, uh, the 20, uh, individuals. But I, I like, I really like the, um, the erythromycin because of what I mentioned related to lung function.

I think it's a azithromycin, um, which is the Zak. Um, yes, but I do, yeah, I do agree with you, uh, on that how, and I was wondering what the rationale was and, and I don't know if you had a chance to dig into this day today for why they actually added that, because that generally is an antimicrobial and generally doesn't have.

Antiviral effects. However, I think the, the thought process is, is that it may be helping treat some of the co-infections that occur in the lungs along with the virus. Exactly. And, and Matt, back to my, back, to my hypotheses of mycoplasma and biofilm playing together mm-hmm. It's, it's gonna feed the viral load indirectly.

Did, did, um, did you see, did you see anyone where, did you see a writeup that that was their logic or were they No, that's my logic. What, what, but yeah, but what was the logic of azithromycin, and I believe it was anti the azithromycin was, was due to the mycoplasic pneumonia constitution as a complication.

As a complication in this setting. Yes. I, I can actually add something there, believe it or not. Um, nice. This is for me. Thank you. Thank you very much. Everyone. Uh, this is, uh, from, uh, Medscape, and they're saying that the, uh, azithromycin was added because it's known to be effective against complications from bacterial lung disease, but also because it has been shown to be effective in the laboratory against a large number of viruses, the infectious disease.

Yeah, and that's, that's all I have to say. I'm going back, Richard. Thank you. That, that's good, Richard, in the sense that. Um, in general we try not to treat viral situations with, with antibiotics like antibacterial antibiotics because antibacterial antibiotics in general don't work against viruses. That being said, we as, as if we probably all have friends who have gone to see a doctor that got a prescription for a Zak, and we've probably all known doctors who saw someone who seemed really to have a viral infection, but yet they got put on a Zak and they did better.

Exactly. And so I think it does makes sense that there is a, that the zpac, uh, may, may, sorry, we're doing a couple things. Just, just let it keep going. Um, uh, may, may have a antiviral effects, however. I wanna be. It's, it's just like what you said about allergic uh, reactions. It's gonna be very important to be careful because there's some important drug drug interactions can be that article that I got from the, the pharmacy right up there on top, underneath the tv.

Yeah. So, um, I'll just go ahead and read this. Uh, the US manufacturer of hydroxychloroquine states that hydroxychloroquine should not be administered with other agents that prolong the QT interval. And we talked about this. This is like an electrical interval. Yes. And it has to do with how electricity goes through the heart.

Mm-hmm. If concurrent therapy is warranted. And so that means if it's required that you do both things. Consider obtaining serum calcium, magnesium, and potassium levels. So those are all things that can influence how electricity flows through the heart. Yes, monitoring baseline, uh, ekg, which is basically taking an electrical picture of how, uh, electricity moves through the heart, and then correcting any electrolyte abnormalities.

And so that means making sure the calcium and magnesium and potassium and all of those electrolytes are normal. And then it says, instruct patients to report any irregular heartbeat, dizziness, or fainting. And so those would be potentially signs that electricity is not moving very well through the heart.

And if it's not moving very well through the heart, then the heart's not able to beat as much. And if the heart's not able to beat as much, it could cause you to pass out or feel dizzy or having a regular heartbeat. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. So then that's why the mineralization is so important.

That mineralization piece is so important. Those electrolytes are so important and every day, every day of this covid uh, uh, experience. Ok. So that's a good one. So I'll, I'll take that. So, so then we're, we're in parallel then in this conversation we're, we're talking about food, and now we're talking about drugs, but then we're talking about ma maintaining our minerals, because if they're working good, then we, we feel that we may let, we, it's hypothetical that we'd be less susceptible to, uh, problems.

Now let me, let me ask you that, how would you maintain mineralization in the body? Okay, so I actually developed a formulation that came out last fall, which is proven to be highly efficacious, not only in in electrolyte balancing, but in modulating oxalate and sulfur again empirically, but we're seeing it empirically.

Um, what's super important, back to the interest we've got to communicate, right? So that sodium potassium pump that gets high, that gets priority, you've got to have that intracellular exchange. And, um, my formulation is watermelon, cilantro, and sea salt. So it's really great. It gets with that sodium potassium pump.

Also, watermelon has a high in arginine. Again, even if you don't get my supplement, take these things and make it yourself at home. Um, watermelon ar Why is arginine so important? Because it's nitric oxide. It's high in nitric oxide. Why is high nitric oxide so important? Because it's important for vascular dilation, so you can get more blood flow through the heart.

And especially when you have a bronchial spasm, you wanna dilate, you don't wanna constrict. So, sodium, potassium, go ahead. No, that's a good one. I like that. Now interestingly, every nerve has a sodium potassium pump, and that's what maintains the electrical balance. And exactly, every, every cell has a sodium potassium pump, and that's what maintains the electrical balance in the cell.

And as long as that's really good, then that makes the cells less susceptible to viruses. But if it's not working, then everything stops working. Um, exactly. I've. I've been, you know, I love this, uh, product that, uh, you can get at Quick Silver Scientific called, uh, Quinton. And what it is, is it's hypertonic sea minerals that come in a glass vial.

And so then I pop those and drink a couple of those every morning, or remineralization and anyone who's on any strategies of taking binders that can potentially pull some of the minerals in their body out, I'll double down on that and try to support them with mineralization, which I think is, uh, uh, we, we've had good experiences with, with those strategies.

I love that. And then back to using your kitchen as an apo apothecary, bananas, which are super high in potassium and sea salt, which is salt, salt, your banana, you know, and you have, you're helping a sodium potassium exchange in your body. Okay, good. So then now, now then, if I'm gonna go back to being a little medical for a second, Um, actually I think using food, I think that using food, um, is medical.

So don't.

We called in a bunch of prescriptions for people, and, and that was because they were friends and there was a panic that they weren't gonna be able to get some of these drugs. And then sure enough, um, uh, Walgreens, uh, stopped writing prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine. Um, wow. Uh, and so there's nationally, I don't think you were able to buy it any Walgreens.

We, we were still able to, uh, put a few orders in through CVS and a couple compounding pharmacies. But, um, and so then that's been a big fear because, you know, we're, we're looking, I think America looks number one to drugs as a solution to a problem. And then here, here, everyone's quarantined at home and it's scary.

And then the, that, that day, that trial, which was a very small trial, showed that the best results happened. When you took a combination of two drugs, however, the, the, the, the pharmacy actually sent me a monograph and circled patient man, uh, management and said, consider checking serum calcium, magnesium, getting an ekg, and kinda managing all this stuff, which is like, Kind of the normal, typical internal medicine stuff that we do all the time, right?

The problem is every doctor's office is now closed. You can't get in, nobody can manage any of that stuff for you. And so, uh, it's a tricky and nuanced moment that we are gonna face as people start to get symptoms. So as they start to get symptoms, number one, I'm gonna support everything that you said. Uh, and knowing that there are, could be slight differences in philosophy here and there, but we're talking in big picture strategies.

Number two, I think that if somebody just had upper respiratory symptoms, then I wouldn't, Hey, can somebody mute themselves? Everybody, just your phone right now, and then make sure that you're muted. Thank you. So number two, then the next strategy would be to, if somebody had upper respiratory symptoms, there's uh, uh, a hypothetical strategy to start taking hydroxychloroquine, then to prevent it from getting into the lungs.

And we're gonna, uh, we're gonna dig into this in the coming days. Alternatively, someone could wait and not take it until they got pulmonary symptoms. Now, my my gut level on this just and we're very early, is, is that because of the side effects and people can have irregularities in their heartbeat, that could be quite profound.

They're at home, they're by themselves, and there's a general gestalt that hospitals are not set. And so therefore, my, my feeling of the day is that if you're able to get a prescription for the hydroxychloroquine and you had symptoms and, and let's say the symptoms were a fever and a, uh, cough and a sore throat, uh, I think it'd be reasonable to take the hydroxychloroquine and the dose is either 400 milligrams a day for seven to 10 days, or 800 milligrams on the first day, and then 400 milligrams a day for the rest of the time.

My gut level would be to do that and, and then if it progressed onto pneumonia to add, and my logic that is, It might be that you're able through a combination of, let's say, some functional medicine strategies and some vitamin C and some wellness, and combining that and great decision making, avoiding trans fats and everything like we're talking about in good food, that we would be able to prevent it from becoming a pneumonia.

So I think that's number one. And then if it progressed onto a pneumonia, then my thought process would be to layer in the Zak. Now, if we relate to layer in the Zak, I would want to make sure A, there are no allergies to either of the drugs. B, the patient doesn't have a history of electrical problems with the heart.

The patient doesn't, has never had, uh, uh, any problems in terms of electrical problems as a side effect from different medications. And then would, would wanna dig into their cardiovascular risk. And I, I would, I would really, and so then this really brings us to the emergence and, and I think this is gonna be here and it's gonna be here to stay of telemedicine so that, because people are not gonna be able to do this themselves.

And so there are, uh, the whole country is sort of converting over to, uh, Trying to find people who can help them online and coach and guide them. Uh, and that may be with food and that may be with medications, and that may be hopefully with some combination of both of those. So, um, that's kind of my thoughts.

Do you have any, do you have any, any reaction to that, Terry? Um, I completely agree with you. I think it's easier to add on from, just, from the pharmaceutical perspective, from the hydroxy, uh, chloroquine and the um, uh, azithromycin is that it's better to add on if you're finding that CYS systems are exacerbating, but it's harder to try to back down from an over response in the body, especially when you have a car, potential cardiac event in your home.

So yeah, from, from that perspective, I completely agree with you. Um, I also agree that we are moving to a new way of. Look at healthcare, there will be telemedicine and there will be what I hope, what I call what doctor, actually, I don't wanna take credit for his quote, but beyond medicine, this is Dr. O, right?

When we are incorporating, he's, he is very well aware of my methods and, and is very intrigued and, and, and to really work at, you know, these a, a blended model and food being primal. And I say that in, in every definition, right? Every, every, the most expansive, uh, form of that definition. Food being primal to how the body can be resilient or not.

Can I jump in for a que for a second? Again, with like the, uh, ignorant patient question. So let's say that, um, actually, I, I think I serve a superb, uh, role on this call. So, um, let's say that, that I do get a sore throat. I do get a dry cough, you get a fever, and I say, uhoh, I've got, I've gotta, I gotta hit this thing.

So I, I, and I'm lucky enough to have a script for the, for the hydroxychloroquine, um, and I'm listening to you guys, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do the hydroxychloroquine. I'm not gonna touch the CPAC right now, but I also want to hit it from a natural perspective. So Terry, like, while I'm in bed and I'm, I'm on my hydro hydroxychloroquine and I've got my fever and my cough and, and so on, what should I be doing?

Like bottom line, if I.

Um, to support myself from a nutritional standpoint. Okay? So from a nutritional standpoint, what we wanna try to do is get as many fluids in the body as possible, right? Because we tend to dehydrate and so, but water is not enough. And this is where we go back to please mineralize those calcium, potassium, uh, phosphorus, magnesium pieces that are so important.

And so coconut water is a full electrolyte and it has a little bit of glucose that's gonna give us a little bit of energy. Watermelon is the same thing, and watermelon, again, really being high. And that arginine, which helps with that nitric oxide, which is going help with constriction, right? Another thing, Richard and I actually did this myself.

Two nights ago, and I decided to nebulize with colloidal silver. And I have used, I have recommended this for my clients when they have, um, bacterial resistant pneumonia. And it's worked really well. And I gotta tell you, I mean, and again, I'm, I'm, I'm in of one here. But, and, and besides my, my, um, my clients that have done so well when they have pneumonia, I felt great afterwards.

I did a 30 parts per million. I did an nebulize just, you know, maybe a quarter teaspoon. And I woke up yesterday morning feeling like I was ready to take on another 18 hour day, which is what I've been doing this week. So, you know, if you have Terry, Terry. Terry, I'm sorry. You somebody interrupted me. You nebulized what?

Colloidal silver. And it really helped. Oh yeah. Did you do the one from Designs for Health? I, silver Soin, um, I say we're out. I just ordered, I just ordered some more. Uh, but I did Source Naturals, which is the 30 parts per million. I trust that brand as well. But, uh, silver Soin or Designs for Health, and I gotta tell you, it's super efficacious for me and for the clients that I've recommended when they have pneumonia.

And then, and then another thing, go ahead. Oh, so then just, yeah. So this one I think is worth talking about a little bit. So Richard, so we're answering your question of you're feeling a little sick and so you think, you know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do the antibiotic. And then we also say, but let's do a bunch of vitamin C.

We're gonna take some quercetin and heal those gap junctions. Mm-hmm. And we're gonna avoid histamine foods. And so we're building kinda a whole functional medicine strategy. Um, what you can do is you can buy a nebulizer, and this is probably not a bad idea for somebody to buy. Yeah. You can get a nebulizer for about a hundred.

Yes. And you could, you could, you could, you might be able to get one on Amazon. I know that most drug stores have them, and the reason they have 'em is, is that you could take a drug like albuterol, which is a drug that opens up the airways in the lung, so mm-hmm. So a of people nebulize. And what nebulizer does is it,

And then it causes that liquid to form little micro droplet particulates. And then those droplet particulates can then get, get, uh, aerosolized, and then you can breed that aerosol down into the lungs. So there's a traditional functional medicine strategy where you nebulize with a, uh, silver product and that's, that can treat infections.

And so we have done that and we've had good experiences with that. And my, my favorite product on the market for that actually is the Designs for Health, uh, uh, product. And we bought, um, I, I kinda hate saying stuff like this because I, I bought like a couple hundred bottles of that today just to have for patients.

Yeah. Then I'm sure that, I'm sure that, like after this call, Then we're not gonna be able to get it. But, um, it's like the, uh, it's like I'm gonna be outta all my favorite things. But, um, so that is an interesting strategy. And then I think some of these infections that are really bad, you begin to see that, uh, one drug might be good, but two would be better.

And so then that's why the data was a little bit better with the combination of hydroxychloroquine and um, uh, azithromycin. But there might be some side effects. And that's where, uh, people like me and Terry a lot of times will try to lean towards doing a strategy where we have a second quote unquote drug.

And that second quote, unquote drug might be, um, in this case, silver. And then it might be that that would be a really great thing to do a trial on because it's, it's, uh, a very safe and a very easy thing to do. Now that being said, I wanna warn people, and I mentioned this last night, uh, that, uh, even though silver is very antimicrobial and there's a, a theory that, um, if you nebulized with it, There's a theory that, uh, even if there was particulates, those particulates, um, wouldn't be able to carry any bacteria or viruses because there's this anti, it's an antibacterial thing.

I do have to warn you that a lot of the hospitals are not recommending that people nebulized because they feel that that is transmission. Yeah. And so therefore, if people are gonna be doing any nebulizing, I recommend that they do it maybe since everybody's quarantined outside and then by themselves.

So they're not, there isn't any exposure to anyone else. Uh, but that's a point. Yeah. Thanks. But, so then I think that that's an, an intriguing, an intriguing one to, to, to think of Richard and, um, and, and there's also some, I think the science for health also has a, a little, uh, pump spray of silver that you can, they can use the start to treat the upper airway and, uh, like that product as well.

Yes. And Matt, for those that can avail themselves as silver, because there has been a run on the market. My, the whole reason I got into this discipline, I used to be in the financial services, uh, strategic and real estate finance, uh, for 20 years because nobody could figure out my son. He had a life-threatening asthma.

And so I became an expert of the airways, if you will, before I transition fully into this field. Um, is that nebulizing with distilled water really helps to moisturize the lungs and really helps calm. Bromine. That's a good one, because before I got into functional medicine, I was an expert in the airway too, because I was anesthesiologist.

That's right. I was expert airway. Well, maybe that makes the perfect combination. Well, um, Well, uh, it was really wonderful to, to talk to you. Um, I feel that, uh, we're gonna have, this is the greatest experiment of our lives and I really enjoyed hearing your perspective because I think you shared a lot of ideas that people can use in their own home and a lot of things that people could begin to do this weekend to help with their mineral status, with their vitamin status, with some things, some simple things that are in the kitchen.

And, um, so I hope that people find that helpful and then we look forward to coming back and continuing this conversation and building the most robust and complex, uh, and supportive, uh, strategies that are out there to help people deal with this, uh, overwhelming pandemic. Well, I, for having enjoy listening to you guys.

I just wanted to find, uh, to end with a quote from Peter Ez who said never before, as the whole of humanity faced a single common enemy, it affects each of us as personally as this never. So what happens when 150 million to 200 million scientists, physicians, and technologists turn their attention to solving a crisis, we science the heck out of it and solve the problem?

I have faith and I hope you do too. I thought that was a great quote. I love it. Uh, thank.

The, there's a Jimmy Buffet wrote a song and the song is called, it's My Job. And the chorus, the chorus goes, it's my job to be different than the rest. And that's enough reason to go. For me, it's my job to be better than the rest. And that's a rough break for me. It's my job to be cleaning up this mess, and that's enough reason to go for me.

It's my job to be better than the rest. And that makes the day for me. And so I think we all have to stand strong. We all have to be the best that we can be. We, as Matthew McConaughey said yesterday, we've gotta turn the, the red light to a green light. We gotta stay strong and together we're gonna get through this.

I love it. And I'll end it with a, with a mom quote from the, um, the very quotable Dr. Seuss owe the places we will go as a result of this. Mm-hmm. Awesome. Wow. This has been great. I've really enjoyed it. Thank you guys. What a pleasure to be in your company. A total pleasure. Well, you guys have a wonderful day and we'll probably talk to you tomorrow.

Sounds great. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye.