Dr. Cook Roundtable Q&A Series: Introducing Dr. Harry McIlroy

 So it really is this idea of an, there's a constant e and flow, a sine wave of life. And by using, um, you know, diagnostics, we're then able to find out where that person is on that wave, and then use whatever intervention. You're listening to a Bio Reset medical podcast with Dr. Cook. If you have questions, we wanna talk more about your symptoms and issues.

You can always reach us at 6 5 0 8 8 8 7 9 5 0. The following is a q and a hosted by Dr. Cook, where he hosts weekly calls with doctors. Nice to be here. I'm, uh, I'm sitting with my, uh, good friend. And so, um, Harry's actually opening the, the Biore Reset San Francisco practice, um, now. And so we've been hanging out a lot and spending a lot of time talking together.

And, um, so a, I just wanted to introduce him and tell you a little bit about him. He actually, uh, went to acupuncture school and, and studied Chinese medicine. So obviously, uh, he's, uh, someone who's, uh, uh, after our own hearts here at Bio Reset and also is, uh, went to medical school and um, uh, uh, did a residency and family medicine and, uh, then became a functional expert.

And I think it was about 18 years ago when we met something like that. Something around puberty. So a while. So we met at a, uh, applying, uh, uh, uh, a functional medicine and clinical practice, uh, uh, I FM meeting actually, which was super amazing. And it was interesting cuz I, I, um, I was standing in the back of the room and I just, I walked in and I said, I'm gonna use my intuition and just try to figure out like a good, the best person to sit next to.

And then I, I just was like looking around and looked and Harry was sitting at a table all by himself and I went over and I sat down and I go, where you from? He goes, San Francisco. I go, me too. So, um, here we are again sitting next to each other, and so here we are. So, um, so welcome Harry. Yeah, thanks. Um, and so maybe what I thought I would do is give us a chance to chat a little bit about functional medicine and some of our approaches.

Uh, uh, Harry knows a lot about cannabis and actually works with, um, a lot of people who are, are using that for, for a variety of medical conditions. So we'll talk about that. We got some questions to answer, um, from the group. Um, uh, but maybe at, maybe Harry give me. Some of your thoughts, kind of from, from 30,000 feet, about your perspective of ch how you integrate?

I I Chinese medicine, uh, traditional family medicine. Mm-hmm. And, uh, so sort of our current incarnation of, of functional, integrated medicine. Yeah. I, thanks Matt and everybody. I think, you know, Chinese medicine in my estimation is really the original functional medicine. It, it, and the original personalized medicine, it's really, um, using the, the didactics that we learn, but then also it's the pulse diagnosis, it's the tongue diagnosis, some of which I use on a daily basis, some of which, um, you know, is more of a repository.

And, and I'm using it as a reflection point. But I think it really is understanding that we're not dealing with populations, we're dealing with individuals. And so using that information, really treating the person in front of us based on their history and, and everything else, um, that, that brings them, uh, in for a visit.

And then utilizing, whether it be Chinese reserves or, or, um, nutraceutical supplements. Um, and then sometimes it's acupuncture, sometimes it's injections, uh, to really help. Get them in a more adjusted, regulated, um, homeostatic place where they can really thrive. Um, and instead of necessarily always looking for the pathology, it's really supporting them, uh, from the ground up.

And I think that it's interesting where cannabis comes in into play with this too. You know, the endocannabinoid system, which, um, wasn't really described until the nineties, but is, is clearly getting a lot of airtime right now. It is. It is the idea that our system is always looking to come back into a place of balance or homeostasis.

And that's so much of what Chinese medicine is at its root. It's, you know, checking the pulse, it's seeing where people are and where their energetic signature is. And then using whatever tools are in your toolbox, whether they be TCM oriented or functional medicine, um, focus and helping that person, um, come back into, into, you know, a, a healthier incarnation.

Oh, good one. So here's a word. Let's talk about this word regulation. It's kind of interesting. And I'm thinking about sort of the Chinese medicine version of it. And I was so impressed. I, I read this article and I went to this lecture on it at Five Branches medical school mm-hmm. 10 years ago where they, they, they did this, uh, they did this study and it was an animal study where they, they put them on anesthesia, drugs that, uh, raised blood pressure and they treated the pericardium meridian and the blood pressure came down and then they put them on anesthesia, drugs, that lower blood pressure, and they treated the pericardium meridian and it came, the blood pressure came back up.

And so there's this idea that if that, uh, that Chinese medicine and that that concepts tends to regulate and balance energetic systems. And I would say that that idea to is, is one of the dominant ideas in, in regenerative medicine now. Yeah, absolutely. And I, I think that, you know what, what we're talking about when, when, uh, the blood pressure is, is, you know, hypertensive or hypotensive, that's a matter of deficiency and excess.

And so it's not that one is, you know, right or wrong, but there're clearly are medicinals, right? They were using, um, uh, they might have been needling the pericardium channel. There's a good chance they were doing different points. Um, and the same thing that you would do with herbs to sort of bring it back, oh, if there's something in excess, you use herbs or acupuncture treats or, or physical manipulations to sedate and calm that excess.

Whereas if there is a deficiency, you're coming in and nourishing from the ground up. And you know, that's everything from more substantive herbs. That's also building points like in, you know, something for a deficiency like Summit 36 is one of the, one of the prime, um, points we use to really help. Build up essentially and give more, um, substance and energy to the body.

And so it really is this idea of an, there's a constant e and fo a sine wave of life. And by using, um, you know, diagnostics, we're then able to find out where that person is on that wave, and then use whatever intervention, right? Uh, energetic interventions, substantive interventions to help bring them back, um, you know, into, uh, a place of balance essentially.

Okay, good. So then I'll take that one. So this morning we were, um, talking about kind of an, an integrative approach to metabolic syndrome. Cause it says we'll stay on a cardiovascular theme. Mm-hmm. Um, talk to me about in general, how you think from a traditional Western medical approach to thinking about.

Metabolics, just like a oral board exam. Geez. So tell me about, tell, explain to me metabolic syndrome. Tell me how you think about it, uh, sort of traditionally, and then integratively, just to kinda lay out the, lay out the, the, the. Lay that as a concept out. Sure. So, you know, the, the concept of having insulin resistance, um, uh, some obesity and hypertension as far as, um, the core, uh, tenets of metabolic syndrome, uh, from a Western perspective, right?

It really is chasing the numbers, typically, right? And so it's, it's either putting them on a statin, um, uh, given an anti-hypertensive agent, um, really recognizing it's like, oh, something is, is is essentially wrong, right? That's kind of what we're saying. And here are some interventions that in, in a lot of ways, very strongly kind of taking a hammer, um, can bring that, that person back to the place where, you know, hopefully they feel better, but also we're looking at, oh, well now they're normal intensive.

Their cholesterol is in a, in a good place to be, you know, is inappropriate. Um, Uh, level, you know, from a Chinese perspective, again, it's really, you know, a hypertensive, um, is an expression of y the excess, the metabolic syndrome. When that's really flourishing, that is a sign of excess, whether it be, um, uh, you know, heart fire leading to, to high blood pressure.

Um, then the flip side of that is what we're really trying to do is, is bring that down and not by directly going after the excess, but by supporting and nourishing. You know, in this, in this sense, it would be the yen deficiency, the substance of the body to help bring them back down into a place of balance.

And so oftentimes a lot of the cardio, uh, tonic herbs are ones that really just help support the function of the cardiovascular system. Rather than going in and saying, oh, this is too high. We're going to, you know, directly and acutely, um, lower it down. So again, it's always looking for, and I think this is one of the aspects of traditional osteopathy too, you know, it's really looking for that, that morsel or that kernel of health and nourishing that.

And if we're able to really feed the healthy part of the organism or the system, then everything's comes back into, um, you know, its natural order or its natural place is. An approach certainly within Chinese medicine and that's why you're coming back and then saying, oh, well we needle this point. Their pulse was excessive.

Now we're gonna feel their pulse or, or over a prolonged period, look at their tongue and see how that's changing. Right. The tongue is really more of a reflection of how their herbs are, um, working. And then the acupuncture, we can acutely see changes in the polls. Okay, good. And so what, how I'm interpreting that which is interest Awesome.

Actually, is that almost to me, one of the most important things is being able to have a rubric or a framework that you can use to. Talk about, uh, a case. And so then if, and, and, and it's if you have a shared framework with a patient, and so often, for example, Chinese medicine, acupuncture is like all of this stuff that you said.

Mm-hmm. So then, now take me through metabolic syndrome from a, let's say, more traditional, just kinda institute of functional medicine, functional medicine perspective, right? So, so again, I mean, looking at, you know, doing the tests, right? Test not guess, and really looking at that, at the, the objective findings.

Um, and then, you know, if, if someone has metabolic syndrome, they might be overeating because of the stress of their relationship or the stress of their job. So really looking, you know, uh, at the. Really looking at, at the causation, um, um, and the history of, of what could lead them to, you know, the disease or, or being out of balance.

And so making sure that you're not, again, sort of using a hammer and a nail and saying, oh, I'm gonna, you know, here's a high blood pressure. So reflexively, I'm just gonna bring that down. It's really looking at the things in someone's, um, uh, life and lifestyle, right? Uh, emotionally. Um, and then also from the standpoint of, of how they're eating, right?

All the, all the aspects that, that build them to that. Because the, you know, metabolic syndrome isn't, isn't an infectious disease that you cut overnight. It's really something that, um, is slowly, uh, deranged and out of balance and, and continues to snowball until, um, you know, the people have demonstrative, um, uh, pathology essentially, or, or the precursors to that.

And so it's really looking at, well, you know, what can we. Come back and look at the history so that we can adjust that, um, uh, and, you know, allow them essentially, again, to come back to a state of balance. We're not born with anything, uh, like metabolic syndrome. So it's really working, um, with the person to, to bring them back, you know, essentially it's a coming home in a lot of ways.

Bring them back to that, um, that state of original health that they, um, you know, typically had. Oh, that's a good one. The, it seems like that's almost a theme that I'm always thinking about, which is, is that like coming back, it it, a lot of people who are in trauma. It as if once that trauma happened, it as, as if they were cast outta the garden and is, and so then the, from then on things are starting to spin outta control.

And if you could just get to that moment where you started to feel, okay, it's interesting. I saw somebody today, it was like, oh yeah, it, everything's gonna work. It was interesting he said that, cuz I only treated him one time and he was like, I'm 20% better. It's like a constellation of like all kinds of stuff.

He said, I'm 20% better. I lost 10 pounds of fat ever since I started doing this. And uh, I realized my life I'm gonna be okay. Like, and, and, and I think, and it's interesting with a lot of times when you do very subtle interventions, um, you'll see uh, not just the biological system that you're working on, but other systems all start to come into balance, which is, um, I would say our, our philosophy probably.

And self-correct. And I mean, I, I, I think, you know, and it's in a, in a way it's a very simplistic ethos as far as recognizing, right. The skill is in, in recognizing, um, what part of the organism, what part of the patient is out of balance, and then having the tools and the ability to support them to come back to that center.

Right. And, and the center is, is where we, you know, everything originates from. Well, we've been talking about the continuous glucose monitor kind of as the, a strategy around metabolic syndrome. What, what, tell us about that. Well, and so, you know, the Dexcom came out a long time ago, but I think the, the newer Freestyle Libre from Abbott is really provocative because it's, it is, they, the sensors last for two weeks.

They're easy to get. They've got 'em at Walgreens. They're not that expensive. And that really, again, coming back to the test, not guests, you know, ethos of, of functional medicine. You're basically empowering the patient to have, you know, typically put it right here on the back of the, um, uh, of the arm. And you're allowing them to say, okay, when I eat this food, what is my, what is my blood sugar doing?

Right? And, and following that glucose. And that really, and then they can also share that with their, with their clinician. That really allows them, instead of like, okay, here's a plan. I did my a1c, I'm gonna. Carry this plan out, let's hope for the best and in three months follow up, um, and get that other way one, see if we're talking about someone with pre-diabetes, whereas this really gives them the, the, the idea and the ability to, to self-correct and do a, a course correction, you know, day by day, which I think is, I mean, I, right.

I mean, that's the whole point. So much of these, the, the diagnostics, if we can, can, can be able to get that information almost in the moment, right. Which is what the continuous glucose monitoring is doing. It really provides agency and, and, and just a, a whole level of, of excellence as far as a tool for, again, both the patient, the individual, um, and the provider that's working with them, whether it's a health coach or a, or a physician clinician.

Um, and I, I think it's gonna be a pretty big, you know, game changer. Interesting. What, um, have you, what is, uh, obviously then once you have that as a framework and a framework that's providing sort of continuous data mm-hmm. Then. Now we begin to start to be able to throw other interventions like peptides and, and absolutely su and supplements.

And maybe, maybe talk about that a little bit in terms of like some of the experiences you've had in terms of working with. With big physiological problems with smaller inputs like that. Yeah. So I mean, I think that in and of itself, having the continuous glucose monitoring with, you know, with a good, uh, diet and lifestyle plan is, is significant.

I've had a lot of success with, with patients, um, over the last year doing that. I think the, the peptides are very provocative. Um, you know, CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin, having that combination that really helps with, um, blood glucose, um, uh, you know, balancing, but it also helps with utilization of blood sugar.

And I think that when people can have those early successes, and I, and I think that the thing about the peptides, again, it's not something where, you know, it's gonna take weeks to get a, a result. People are able to see the benefit of that. Um, in the fairly short term, you know, that that along with the continuous glucose minor is gonna give people fairly, um, quick gains.

And, and that's so much about when we're talking about behavior change, whether it's around, you know, weight loss or addiction. It's giving that people the early confidence to say, oh, I can do this, this, this is working. And I think that that, again, that immediate feedback, um, is so important. And I think the peptides, I'm really excited about that because I think that they're going to, um, really, uh, lead to a much more, um, dramatic, um, improvement in the short term.

And interestingly, Often some results often get people to just buy into an idea mm-hmm. Enough to kind of commit to doing stuff. Yeah. And just the little victories are, are, are super meaningful. I find, and I think that's so much of the, of, you know, of another core tentative functional medicine. The earlier you can get people to have some, some successes, the more apt they are to buy in.

And a lot of these things, I mean, we're talking about metabolic syndrome really at, at the essence of that we're also talking about behavior change, right? And so the more that we can, um, uh, uh, you know, allow people to see that this is something that can happen and here are these very powerful tools to, to, um, give you the confidence to have it be something that you're working on and you're succeeding on, on a daily basis, instead of having it be okay, let's follow up in three months and, and see what your blood sugar is doing.

I mean, I think that, um, I think it's a very exciting time to be working with, with a lot of, um, uh, metabolic change. Now, I'm assuming you're gonna put everybody on the carnivore diet. Um, a hundred percent based on, you know, just, uh, 25 years of being, uh, plant-based. I've, I've now changed my tune and, uh, I'm ready to, I'm ready to do it.

No, I think that right there, there are so many ways to address that, taking people's, um, you know, individual needs and considerations into account and, and, uh, um, you know, again, I think that's where sometimes the supplements and the peptides really can allow you to, to, um, have just so much more success with your interventions.

Yeah. It's, it is interesting to have, uh, I'm excited to kind of engage on the dietary front to, with the diversity of, of, um, thought and idea and, you know, there's such a diverse, where, where we are here in the Bay Area, but also just in the world is such an interesting diversity of. Uh, lifestyle choices from food, you know, uh, particularly thinking about the GI issues.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And again, I think both of us just being really excited about how the peptides can really fill in a lot of those gaps. Uhhuh. Right.

Talk to me about the, um, the endocannabinoid system and how, where, how that comes in clinically. For you. And, um, and maybe let's maybe start with, you know, we were talking about kind of integrative psychiatry this morning and, and, um, and then maybe we can kind of transition from there to kind of sleep and cancer and wellness and some of those things.

Yeah, I mean, so I think again, the endocannabinoid system is, is found in all, um, verbiages. So it's been around for hundreds of millions of years. Um, it wasn't described, I believe it was in the early nineties. And it really is a system, you know, that I think a lot of the things that we were attributing to the endorphin system were really the endocannabinoid system.

It is a system that at its base is trying to bring us back into a state of, of balance, right? Um, to down excess lifting up deficiency. And it's utilizing the endocannabinoid receptors, the CB one and CB two, um, either with, um, the endocannabinoids we have in our body that's anon, ide, and two Ag or. The phyto cannabinoids, um, you know, primarily not just, but primarily found in cannabis, and that's T H C B D, you know, essentially right now there are about 140 named, um, endocannabinoids along with the terpenes that, that are found in cannabis too.

And so it's, it's. We've had this explosion of hybridization and, and genetic possibilities in the last 20 years with cannabis. And so, um, you know, and that's where a lot of the aggressive breeding, um, really led to, oh, well what can we do with this plant? And, and cannabis, I think, is, Universally, uh, unique, right?

I, I don't think that there is gonna be another, uh, plant that comes out in the next couple years that's gonna have the diversity of application that cannabis has and, and really, you know, to be able to have a plant that by, by adjusting and, and breeding. Um, different, uh, cannabinoid ratios and profiles and terpene profiles, you're able to address, you know, things as far reaching as anxiety to, uh, chronic pain, to oftentimes addressing, um, not just the side effects of, of, um, uh, chemotherapy and radiation, but also there's some really provocative, um, studies coming out around, uh, hormone positive breast cancer and using higher doses of, of, um, both TC and C B D.

Um, you know, again, just the whole gamut of, of so many moving across so many different applications of drug classes where it's really able to, um, have a meaningful impact. And, and I think, you know, one of the other things, so this is all around, okay, here's, here's some discrete, you know, pathology to some extent, and we're going to, you know, address it with a specific cannabinoid and terpene, uh, ratio and profile.

I think the other part of this is just. What happens if we feed the endocannabinoid system? Ethan Russo, who's one of the early pioneers of a lot of the endocannabinoid research, um, described something called clinical endocannabinoid deficiency, right? It's this idea that, you know, life is hard and overwhelming and chronic stress, everything we're, we're chronically out of balance.

And so by feeding the, the, the human body with small amounts of cannabis, We're able to, to sort of bring up and tonify that endocannabinoid system and, and thereby keep, get the immune system back in balance. That's really more around modulation of the CB two receptors. Um, and then when you start talking about pain anxiety, that's really more around, um, uh, you know, uh, CB one.

And, and so I think that just having that daily feeding, almost like the new improved Geritol right of, of the ultimate multivitamin, the, the idea that by, by giving, um, the system a little bit of, of, of an endocannabinoid tone every day through small amounts, these are sub psychoactive amounts, right? A couple milligrams of t h c, 10 milligrams of C B D with a, with a, with a good terpene profile really allows, um, the type of experience where it's not that you take it the one day and you're like, oh my gosh, I feel so amazing.

But it's really doing, and, and we've been working on this doing, um, you know, subjective questionnaires. Pre and post like over 30 days and really seeing that if people are, are, are doing a small amount of cannabis over a 30 day period, they just feel better, right? They're just like, you know what? I'm not as anxious.

I am, uh, you know, maybe I'm a little bit happier. I'm, I'm certainly that depression has lifted a little bit. And so I think there are subtle qualities to it, um, that really tends to, to go along with a lot of the Chinese medicine interventions as well. And so, um, you know, that's more of the endocannabinoid, um, uh, uh, toning approach.

I think when you start talking about, you know, chronic pain, neuropathic pain, it's again going in, um, and it's herbal medicine and this is, you know, at its essence. Pretty different than, than certainly, um, pharmaceutical, uh, prescriptions and then also nutraceuticals and supplements too. It's, it's much more of a personalized approach.

It's like, well, you have this chronic pain that's manifesting, you know, it's worse in the morning. Um, and then, and then it gets a little bit better when you get out of bed and get moving and then as the day goes on, it gets worse again, or it's more episodic than that. Um, and really learning, well, you know what?

I find that this, that, that, uh, you know, a higher preponderance of THC with some mercene, which is one of the more sedating, um, terpenes that helps a lot with chronic pain. That's a good intervention. And you know what? It works for me, um, for five hours. And so then I recommend people usually dosing, you know, every four hours so that they don't have, um, you know, that sine wave up and down.

They're really constant, you know, getting constant treatment. Um, or it's someone with some insomnia and, um, recognizing that if they take, you know, five or 10 milligrams of T H C with some sedating terpenes, 30 to 60 minutes for bedtime, that really allows them to decrease sleep latency and get to sleep, right?

So if they're, if they're, if they've got some anxiety, um, it can really kind of, uh, uh, support that and allow people to, to get a good night's sleep. And, you know, taking it orally, it's typically a longer lasting. So oftentimes that will get them through even sometimes the initial, uh, uh, cortisol pulse early in the morning, um, if they've got some, some, uh, baseline stress.

Um, uh, same thing with anxiety. I have patients that the only time they use cannabis is when they're gonna get up and do a public speaking engagement. And they'll do typically, You know, 10 to 20 milligrams of a high C b D Right. Or even a CBD isolate sometimes. Um, so they're, they're, they're really, it's, it's pretty, um, you know, it's almost, it's almost like when they, when they talk about growing canvas, right?

It's, it's both the easiest plant in the world to grow. It's a weed and it's also, at the same time, the hardest plant to grow. Well, and I think the, there is a simplicity of working with cannabis. It's like, oh, let's just feed your endocannabinoid system, um, very low doses, uh, non-psychoactive. See how that goes.

Or let's go in with a very targeted approach to, we're gonna start with this many milligrams and much higher doses. It's maybe gonna take, you know, days or weeks to titrate up to these high doses. Um, and so it really, you know, it's, it's I think, an easy thing to get started on. Low hanging fruit, being pain, anxiety, insomnia.

Um, and then when you move into more of the complexities, you know, each, each human's expression of what they need, um, uh, is gonna be different. So you're gonna use, um, Uh, you know, different ratios and it's a, it's a dynamic thing. It's not here's your, here's your recommendation and come back to me in three months.

Right. It really is more of a, you know, I often will do short interval follow up and see how they're doing and, and help with adjusting the, um, titration. So then, and I'm gonna dive into each of those a little tiny bit, but in terms of, um, in terms of, in terms of treatment, my sense of, I was talking to you and it's been a real educational experience for me, the full spectrum.

Approach seems to have a more balanced and, and a, and a more optimal experience than, for example, just take a THC gummy. Yeah. Um, maybe, maybe talk about, talk about that and, and, and how, how your. You conceive of the entourage effects and stuff like that? Yeah, I mean, I think again, it comes to the, you know, the whole plant extract or, or full spectrum, you know, as much as possible.

I mean, full spectrum I think ultimately is, is finding a cannabis plant in the field and taking a, uh, a flower off and eating it, right? That's, that's full spectrum is ultimately no processing at all. The reality is, um, to be able to, to create different products and just the fact of, of aging and drying, it's gonna change some, but it really is.

You know, acknowledging the intelligence and the balance, right, of all these cannabinoids, um, and, and, uh, how they really support, um, each other for more efficacy. And I see that clinically a lot. I mean, so take CBD for example. I mean, using a, a, uh, a whole plan or full spectrum extract of a CBD dominant in California.

That var or strain is, is typically A C D C. That's something that is, you know, 20% c, b, d with a little bit of the other cannabinoids. Um, and if you're treating, uh, whether it be anxiety or, or something, you know, more serious like, uh, or you know, more demonstrable as, as, uh, epilepsy, um, or a seizure disorder.

If, if a hundred milligrams is the dose that really helps someone, you know, knock their seizure count, monthly seizure count from a hundred milligrams, let's say twice a day from, you know, 400 to, uh, 10 mil. 10 10, uh, events per month, right? Um, If that same person, then, um, and we see this a lot, gets a c, b, D isolate, right?

Whether, um, you know, essentially whether it's synthesized or it's completely isolated, um, and there are no other terpenes, no other cannabinoids in there. Um, I, I typically don't see it work nearly as well, but if it does work, you typically need to have like a 30, 40% higher, um, uh, dose, right? And so what we really see, um, is that, is that using the whole plant, um, is just more effective, right?

People are getting better results. Um, they're also not having, um, uh, the, the, the bad outcomes with it as much too. I mean, when, when you start talking about using cannabis concentrates and, and there, there are these things called dab rigs where they're heating it up. Su totally recreational, right? Super high.

Um, temperatures and, you know, it's a, from a Chinese medicine production, so super, it's the ultimate Yong of cannabis. Um, you know, you have very acute, um, possibly relief of pain, right? But it's also, um, very uncertain that you're not gonna have a lot of the, uh, tachycardia, the, um, the, uh, Paranoia, some of the very negative side effects with cannabis, and there is an inherent, you know, beauty and knowledge of using the whole plant.

I think that that really softens it out. You know, I mean, cocaine's a very, uh, uh, you know, another example like that. I mean, the coca leaf, um, has been used for hundreds, thousands of years as a general, you know, energy tonic. Um, and that's very different than when you isolate, you know, one of the alkaloids, the cocaine out of that.

And, and while it maybe has its uses, it's. Clearly has a lot of, of, um, of unbalance and it's used too. And I think that's, um, you know, not necessarily to that same degree, but it's the same thing with Canvas. I think that what we're really seeing is this is a very potent plant. It's, it's so complex that it, we really do have this pharmacy and a flour where we're able to.

To play with the genetics and create different, um, cannabinoid terpene profiles that have different, um, actions for different indications. But again, it really is using that whole plant, um, extract. We just, we end up getting, uh, better results. Biore Reset Medical is a medical practice specializing in integrative therapies and advanced wellness protocols.

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