Musicians Martin Johnson and Naomi Cooke Chat with Dr. Cook

 Everybody sing bridge over trouble, water bridge over trouble water, just letting it come. I was like, I was getting a nerve block injection, so I was like kind of really like open, kind of accepting that everything's gonna be okay finally for the first time. And so everybody's singing to me. I'm crying like the best.

You're listening to a Bio Reset medical podcast with Dr. Cook. If you have questions, we'll wanna talk more about your symptoms and issues, you can always reach us at 6 5 0 8 8 8 7 9 5 0. Okay. Hi, welcome to the show. Today's gonna be an amazing day cuz I've got my good friends Martin Johnson, who's a singer, songwriter, producer, and was in a band named Boys Like Girls.

And his current project is the Night Game. And then Naomi Cook, who's in a really cool, uh, country band named Runaway June. Yeah. You got, you nailed it. That was great. It was beautiful. Great. What an introduction. That was the first take. I remember I was friends with Martin and, um, uh, he was so excited for me to meet Naomi.

And then you walked in and you had a Led Zeppelin t-shirt on. I was like, yeah. We're all good here. Yeah, we're all good. This is family time, so Well, welcome to the show guys. Um, we were just talking a little bit about, so it sounds like you guys had, uh, uh, were the, the day today is May 9th. Mm-hmm. And so then you, um, you guys just back, got back from quarantining up in Maine?

Yeah, it was a full two months. We did like, it was basically March 12th, so an exact two months, like eight weeks. Um, we beelined like right when they were shutting down stuff, sessions were getting canceled and stuff. We. Uh, it's so quiet there. Like I grew up in rural Maine where it's just silent and it was funny cuz it took them so long to catch up with the fear and so it was like, let's go somewhere where it's supposed to be quiet so it doesn't feel too irregular to be quiet.

Um, and we blitzed before it, like long before they shut everything down here and uh, you know, got there and posted up and right when things kind of started getting normal and they opened natural back up. We were like, alright, we'll come back down. I was in Europe when they, um, I we, we were in uh, we were doing our European tour, uh, in February and we got to Amsterdam, Berlin and Zurich and we were supposed to do Dublin, London, Glosgow, and Australia.

And we got shut down like right after Zurich. And we were like, we have 24 hours to get home before the travel ban. So that was, and then I got home and we went straight up to Maine, Donald put out the travel ban and I basically said like, we're outta here. Like you're gonna land and you're gonna pack and we're out.

I'm gonna get in the truck and we're going, it's over. Yeah. Wow. That um, that's gotta be super How was, how, I mean, that's gotta be so crazy. Your, your whole profession is being in front of large groups of people and what's that like? You know, it, it's, I would love to say that I'm personally taking it in a super tragic way cause I know it's such a tragedy, but I'm seeing it a little bit more as an exciting new chapter.

And I hate when exciting new ch chapters have to be, you need a tragedy to, to get change. I think that's kind of where we're at. Now. Um, and so I, I'm excited to see what happens. Personally, I feel really, really major limitations by doing the stuff that everybody's doing to keep normal in the music industry.

I e like the broadcast thing, the like playing at your computer, the talking to your screen, the sort of like, I did this like online festival where I like had this like MIDI controller and like some beats coming through my laptop and I'm like singing at my computer screen at the cabin in Maine. And I was just like, I got off it and I got done and like zillion, like a lot of people are watching and I got off and I was like, that was such a strange experience.

Like, I don't want to do that anymore. I'm singing at the wall pretending it's 30,000 people and you feel no energy. There's no energy. And so it was like, um, I'm excited to see what's next. You know, I was kind of at a point in my career where I felt like I was hitting a wall a little bit. In the studio where it felt like it was a little bit of, uh, maybe a cage.

And on the road, um, you know, we canceled the huge Boys Like Girls Tour. We were gonna do Asia and, uh, and Australia with like, play our first record, which is more of like a nostalgia based tour. Um, you pay your play your first that gonna be, it was gonna be like late April right? Right after me, right after I got back from Europe.

He was going late April. So I think I maybe would still be out now. Maybe May. Yeah. Or either out or it's just, or just done with it now and it was just like kicked down the line till like mid-September, which I don't think is gonna happen. I hope it does. And you know, we haven't announced a reschedule, but like, I mean, what do you think?

What's interesting is when I was in Europe, so Covid had already broken out and it was, it was, there was a big breakout in Italy at the time, but Italy hadn't gone like completely crazy. And we had military shows booked for Italy. Um, but our team was like, I don't think it's safe for you to go there.

We're afraid you won't be able to travel if you've been where there's an outbreak. So we were like, okay, skip that. We went to Germany and we had, um, two shows with 3,500 people there. No one was in masks or anything. And this was like at a time where your had been already. It um, it was like no one there was freaking out.

It didn't feel crazy. There felt really crazy when we got back to the us. Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh God. Like the US was like, ma freaking out. Well I wanna say Martin, welcome to my life cuz for the last, um, 25 years I've been singing it to a wall pretending there was 30,000 people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shampoo bottles, you draw little eyes on them in your shower.

Yeah. I mean, I, I've experienced it first firsthand on the table Needle in my neck doc singing. And I'm mean, you, you've at least had a one, a sedated audience. You know where I'm down. Like, know where you can go. Yeah. I regularly, I, I was impressed. You know, I regularly sing, I regularly sing to one to two people.

Yeah. You was singing to singing to the patients. I love it. I was trying to remember what song did we sing, Naomi Cuz when I sang with you in the office. Oh, that was good. It was a Paul Simon song. Oh. That we sang. Um, American Tune. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All I could do was think how totally amazing your voice was and that this was the greatest thing that I'd ever done in my life up until now.

So, sweet. I remember. So fun. I remember it was you, you're like, you brought in lyrics and you're like, okay, learn these lyrics really quick cuz we're gonna surprise Martin with this. Before we, it was just the, it was the, I mean, where else in the world are you gonna go to a place, get medical treatment and have that experience?

Well, when you go, when I was down getting like my 17th like placenta matrix injection, you and Barb and, um, and Hasi and like everybody, everybody's in, it's like other doctors are in the office and whatever. Everybody's singing, bridge over trouble, water, singing, bridge over trouble, water, just letting it cut.

And I was like, I was getting a nerve block injection, so I was like kinda really like open and kinda ready and not like closed off, you know? I was like kind of accepting that everything's gonna be okay. Finally, for the first time ever. And so everybody's singing to me, I'm crying. It's like the best. Yeah.

So then that's the thing is like a bridge over troubled waters. So then, like, right now, and, and what's interesting, I'm gonna tie this concept and then let's talk about this. Okay. Traditionally in the stock market, the more volatility there is the, the, the more probability there is for games. Mm-hmm. So volatility is not necessarily a bad thing.

No. And so then in the same way, there's a lot of volatility now, and yet, at any moment in your life, you can see a bridge. A bridge over the troubled waters that you're in. And for me, I use music so much, but it's like, I love what you said for the first, for the first time ever, you realize it's gonna be okay.

And we were talking about this before. Mm-hmm. The, and I've been really interested in this. I've been kind of almost thinking of like life on a timeline. And then if you can, I'll go as far outta my way as I can to make it okay. Right now. Cuz if it can be o If it can be Okay. Cuz I, I loved what you were saying earlier when we were talking Martin.

Yeah. Like getting to an idea that it's gonna be okay tomorrow, right. Is kind of somewhat helpful. Except that's just this existential idea. Right. It's it's a powerful drug. It's addictive. It can be addictive. It's like it'll be okay when I have 5 million, then you get 5 million. It's like, okay, it'll be okay.

It'll actually be okay when I get 10 million. Yes. And it's really powerful drug Cause it can keep you going. It can keep you in a game. But it also really holds you back. It keeps you in a state of fear. It keeps you in a state of, um, scarcity and it keeps you in a state of anxiety. It keeps you in a state of wanting and needing, wanting and grabbing and tension.

Cause until you get that, it's not okay when you say, when you're playing the, it'll be okay when game and you're like, it'll be okay when black. That is saying it's not okay. Now, now I'm saying it's not OK now, and that's what I'm actually saying. It's ok. Ok, now yeah, we're literally on, you know, it's a powerful drug because if you, if things are truly screwed now, it can make you feel okay because you know it'll be okay eventually.

But God forbid you get to eventually look around and the thing that's bigger than you has disappeared. It'll be okay when I've got a song on the radio and, and, and a cool car. And then it's 5,000 people in the audience. And then you get there and you're alone and the dream has disappeared and you have nothing really to live for.

And you look around and you say, okay, well, like it's, if it's the, it'll be okay. When it's when. Yeah. It's when you know. Yeah. And you know, the, so then I've been having this one lately, and this is kind of interesting because I think that fear, shame, worry, a lot of these kind of, the negative emotions are as tightly connected into what the fight or flight center of our brain as is our consciousness and some of our, some of the ideas floating around.

Right. And so then if we get a trigger, it's like then all of a sudden we're, we're willing to contemplate that we're not okay. And, and, and, and then all of a sudden, then if that's the case, and I'm not okay, now I'm not okay tomorrow, and I may never be. Okay, so we do this if, if it's like a proof, right?

Right. Wow. I, I saw Jerry Seinfeld talking about the psych, uh, the, it's a concept in comedy of a, of a proof if this, then that and if that, then that mm-hmm. Uhhuh. Mm-hmm. Now, then what that does is that locks us in the fight or flight worldview. Now then, then inside in here are the warm and fuzzies. Mm-hmm.

So the warm and fuzzies is like, Hey, everything's cool what's happening. Mm-hmm. We overheard, you know, you know, and so the, the, the idea is then that if we have to defrag those triggers and then come into the state of being, and then once you kind get in here, if you can get into here for like two minutes, you can always get back in here.

Mm-hmm. And then this is kind of, and then covid and what's happening with kind of the social norms is everyone is, is trying to hook into our fears or worries or triggers. And then just as soon as they hooked in, then they turn the volume up on that. Mm-hmm. But then now once you know that, once you understand the, the, the framework of just basically the biology of the neurotransmitters in your brain, you can start to control that.

And you're like, oh. It's like you almost start to diagnose this, like, oh, they're trying to hook into my fear. Yeah. But I'm okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I don't, I don't mean any disrespect by the, you know, the, um, the wearing the masks and following the C to C guidelines and stuff. But I mean, like, I feel more anxiety putting on that mask every single day.

I can feel that, like, that stress of doing that might actually make me sick before any virus. Like the mentalness of me going, I'm, I'm in so much fear I'm in, so I'm in a place of danger all the time. Right. It's like making my body feel weak and like I'm susceptible to, you know, I just, I feel a lot more strong, like not doing that.

Okay. My fear with that stuff in regards to the covid tragedy is just like, I don't, I've heard such conflicting things that I don't know what's true. Um, I've heard that the Sweden way of doing things has really been phenomenal, so I'm like, okay, if that's the case, then I'd like to have that direction.

And so knowing that I'm not developed that, that I'm not getting the right antibodies to fight off an infection by, you know, wearing a fucking hazmat suit to the grocery store, um, is that doing a bo my body and therefore culture a disservice? I guess I just don't, you know, there's the information you get off of M S N BBC or C nnn or Fox News, and then there's the information that I get off of conspiracy podcasts and conspiracy YouTube videos, and there's nothing really in between.

So it's really hard to say this is the truth. Well, what do you think that this is what I should do?

But, so this is, I think this, what I'm gonna say is gonna be constructive for you now and in the future. Okay. So then, Now it's interesting to walk through this idea of the masks because masks is somewhat helpful, but it's not enormously helpful, but it's pretty helpful now then initially we were told masks don't do any good.

Remember that? Yeah, I was told I was told that too. Yeah. Yeah. So then what happens is, and and the, the, the storyline on the messaging, it has all of this volatility is back and forth. They're good. They're not necessary. They are necessary. And that's, this is a little bit what the storyline of the media for the last few years has been.

Very extreme yeses and nos. Interesting. Well, I go back to my, my, like when I was told in the nineties that you have to drink six glasses of milk a day. And I go, well, you know, and that's gonna be healthy for your bones. And I go, well, am I being told the right thing about this masks? And if, and if, and if I'm not, I don't really care about, you know, the, the inferior kind of, you know, if, if I'm, if it's gonna be better for society and for my health to not wear 'em.

I'd rather be, I'd rather deal with the person telling me I'm a murderer, but not wearing the mask to the grocery store Personally. I, I don't really mind. It's like, is what it is. You're, you're, everybody's entitled their, their opinions. Yeah. So then, so then what? And then if so, then there's a lot of volatility around those.

The mass topic, number one. Number two, what's gonna happen is if you look at 1973, most of the intellectual ideas in medicine are very different from that. Yeah. So a lot of what? And, and well, a lot of what we currently believe about Covid, we're gonna find most of it's gonna be wrong in some way. It is gonna be massively evolved.

And when we look back at this in 10 years, right? Right. Yes, absolutely. And so then now, and then now, so then what happens is, if I put on, what I will tell you is, is that if I thought that it'd make you feel a little bit more comfortable, I'll put a mask on for you. Mm-hmm. But, and now it's interesting cuz this is almost like artistically.

It's like I'm willing to kind of put on, I'm willing to play a little bit of a role for a minute or two. Yeah. Yeah. See how that goes. And I, but now like, but like I'm playing along and I'm knowing that I'm just putting a mask on to kind of see what happens. Right. But I'm not actually gonna, uh, necessarily let that affect my emotional state, which is then, so then now I'm just kind of journeying into seeing kind of where people are studying scientifically, you know, trying to track what's happening.

But I'm not a, I'm not gonna be an emotional victim. Right. Uhhuh. That's exactly right. Uhhuh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which does affect your immunity, which affects everything. But I guess also to what Martin was saying was that in, and I'm sure you know this, that, that in Sweden, they didn't do the shutdown. They prepared for people who were gonna be most susceptible to dying or getting the most sick, and they kept everything open so that everyone built up is building up antibodies right now and getting, um, immune to this thing so that there won't be a second wave or whatever.

Um, and that over sanitizing, over washing your hands, kills your good bacteria. It makes your body more, you know, all of that stuff. So, and not being outside, not interacting with each other, not shaking hands, not getting the stuff to build up these immunities and make your own body strong, um, can actually make us a lot more susceptible to disease down the road.

Yeah. And so that, I do think that the, that approach is like quite intelligent. And, and then yet. And then yet, but then this is good, a good one, right? It's we're in a, a, a new moment of political correctness and medicine where that's like a somewhat politically incorrect. Yeah, yeah. Right. I'm sitting here listening her say that being like, man, like people are gonna be like the, the, the, you know, kind of like the social justice situation on the internet is gonna be like, you're a murderer for saying that on a podcast.

And I'm just like, but if that's what's true and that's what's real and that's what's right, and then it's like, you know, I'm not personally, like, I think at the beginning I was like, I got asthma, right? So I'm like, at the beginning I'm kind of in fear and I'm Clorox wiping my door handles and wearing, wearing a, you know, a ski thing on my face.

And just like, after a while I'm kind of like, I actually think I'm doing myself and everybody else a disservice, but I, but you know, I just wish I, I guess I just wish I had a resource. I mean, I guess we do, we do right now where we're kinda like talking about further, but like, I wish I knew. Got it. Wish I had knew someone.

I guess what you were saying, wish they had someone I, I hear what you're saying. I guess like if it makes people feel really comfortable now, I guess I'm willing to put on a bandana to not make, you know, the dude at the grocery store next to me have a panic attack. Like if that's gonna be what helps him not panic, like I guess I'll do that.

But at the same time it's a confusing line, you know, where it's like maybe I'm kind of just doing that to socially do the right thing. Mm-hmm. But everybody's just socially doing the right thing. Maybe they're doing the grander kind of public a disservice by not. Doing the right thing for their body.

What do you suggest, doc? What do you suggest us? Like, like are you saying like, I think what I heard you say is, you know, if you're going to the grocery store and it's gonna cause an a, a ruckus that you're not wearing a mask, like wear the mask. Don't let it, don't let it upset me emotionally. I'm not gonna get an anxiety attack over that.

Mm-hmm. But for what's good for me, la all through my life and like building my body and making my own immunity really strong to fight off all different kinds of disease. What do you suggest? Do you think that the, that the mask and the gloves and the over washing and the not talking to anyone and standing far away, is that gonna weaken our bodies over time?

I think our bodies are strong, are strong enough that you're gonna be fine no matter what you do. And so then that's the attitude that I want you to, that I encourage you to be like, I'm gonna be great. I'm there. I was like making Martin pretty nervous. I'm, I'm already there. I'm like, no, she's there. But yeah.

Yeah. But yes, it doesn't make, it doesn't make me nervous. What makes me the most nervous about Covid the whole time from the stock market to human relationships is, is, is far, far, far less the disease. Mm-hmm. And far more the human reaction to the disease. Mm-hmm. Um, so I'm not really afraid of walking into Whole Foods naked, but what I'm afraid of is hu human interactions kind of going down the toilet and all of a sudden you're kind of like, you're socially crucified.

This, and your tribe turns against you, so to speak. You're not right. Are people, there are people who are just like, you know, like, I've been on, I've been on phone calls, you know, where we're like, people are kind of like, Calling other people like murderers for walking around without gloves on. And it's kind of like, well, yeah.

And so, so what happens is, is there, we've gotten a, the whole thing is our, our whole culture got real polarized in the last few years. Yeah. And so then this comes along and then this is just this opportunity. And then you've, you've got a variety of ways to pitch it. Right. And so then it's interesting kind of culturally, like if you look at us, cuz we probably think we, I bet you that we have almost like exactly the same beliefs, right?

Yeah. Politically. I bet, I bet you there's like a 99% overlap. Interesting. Cause I have like the, the people who come to see me all think exactly the same. Yeah, for the most part, except for like a very small cohort, you end up thinking that way later. But so then it's, and but then it's interesting as you watch that, because you've got, and then let's say there's a business narrative, and then there's a, uh, human rights narrative.

Because what happens is on the, the human rights side, there is this really small percentage of people who get really sick. Mm-hmm. And so then, now, now I think Sweden has a rational ability to say, okay, let's, how do we, first of all, we have to take care of them. Nobody's arguing about that. And so then what, what are the resources?

And I bet you if you really dove into that, There's a lot that we could do to try to keep people out of ICUs and hospitals and protect Right. Protect people who are the most disenfranchised. Yeah. And yet I think that we could probably open up the markets way more than we currently are and, and have levels of social distance that, and as we start to track cases, we'll see that, that the levels that we need can be smaller and smaller and smaller until, and, and that, and, and interestingly, that's going to be social as much as anything else.

Sure. Yeah. Like somebody said to me, are you gonna hug me when I could come up to see you? And it's like, I don't know. This was like a few weeks ago. I was like, I don't know. I, I go, it's almost like a social thing. I'm gonna see if people are hugging me, like right now, no one's, you're not gonna go in. I'm not, I'm not touching anyone.

You know what I mean? But then what's gonna happen is, People are gonna start to get more and more comfortable. And then the reality is, is you guys have been socially isolating and I have too. And everyone that I know has been social. Yeah. And so the risk of re-engagement is much lower then I think it's perceived to be.

Got you. Ok. Now then the next thing is, is that there's a lot more that we can do to control than, than people give credit for. Mm-hmm. So like I'm sleeping great, exercising, taking a lot of vitamins, doing a whole bunch of immune support stuff. I'm not doing any of the bad things. Are bad for me, right? Yeah.

Either people are spent quarantine, drinking, you know, bottles and bottles and bottles of wine and like, we haven't been doing that. We've been cooking super, super healthy food, trying our best to not hit the sugar and, and exercise every day. Yeah. Yeah. So then with that in mind, I think that, and, and so then I think we need to lean into re-engagement, lean into, you know, social engagement at, at a little bit of a distance and, and then what that's gonna be a bridge.

It's like this is this concept of a bridge over troubled waters. That's a bridge to just more normal interactions. Yeah. Yeah. I totally, totally agree with that. I also think that there's a really high possibility that Martin and I. May have had coronavirus because I, I really believe that there was an outbreak in Nashville in January.

Oh, what, what symptoms did you get? It was, it was actually like the second week of February, but I'm saying that most of our friends got it in January, but we got, I feel like we got it, but because we had visit, we had been to your clinic prior to that in late December and had gotten nas, and we spent four days there and, um, every single body completely rebooted our systems and our bodies, all the, I mean, the works, I think that it's a possibility that our bodies were so strong that the immune reaction didn't, didn't, um, hurt.

Hurt, didn't cause a lot of pain, like we were able to handle it. Our bodies were so strong. So like sometimes, which I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but like your immune system fighting a disease is what makes you lay in bed and makes what makes you vomit. What makes you. Feel that way. Right.

It's not really the virus, it's your immune system fighting it. But like my body was so strong, I didn't really get terrible symptoms. But the symptoms I did have were Covid, Monty, Monty, uh, we went, we both went to like, kind of an instant care situation, just cause was bad enough and tested for a flu and strep and they were both negative.

And we were both, I found that I was going in there because I was like, I knew that I was gonna need to sing, so I was like, basically like looking for prednisone. You know what I like, I'm gonna go in here and maybe I'll get, maybe I can get some steroids. And now looking back and, and, um, because of my leg break, the, the doctor was basically like, like, you know, I think it's a bad idea.

I don't know if he's right or not. We don't have to get into that, but Oh, he was totally right. But it's so lucky cuz steroids would've been the worst thing for, for that ever. For Covid, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I was like, man, I'm gonna have to sing. And as a singer. You're like little, like trick is like, even, even as a sober guy for 10 years, the trick is still like, you know, you, if you got a cold and you gotta sing through it, you're like, get a little prednisone.

Sure. Steroids. Yeah. You go down off of it, whatever. Maybe you combine that with a Zack and generally you can still perform. And it was like, I'm happy that that wasn't the case. That that wasn't what, but I was kind of laid up probably like super full body fatigue and stuff for three days and, um, and having but no vomiting.

No vomiting, like coughing. And then it was like, there was no congestion but it was like the fatigue felt like, and it was before I went to Europe, I felt like I had been hit with the gnarliest jet lag of all time. And I was like, Martin, whatever's coming for me, what I'm about to get is gonna be so crazy.

And I was about to get on a plane to go to Germany and so, but like, it never really hit me. I just kind of like had a base level of no energy. I had just enough to get on stage, but I never vomited and. I didn't have the flu, I didn't have strep and I didn't have mono, and so my doctor was like, I don't know, like just stays where I'm at with it.

Yeah. Where, where I'm at with it is I think that, you know, if we, the, the stuff that we had done at your clinic was really kind of like, what made it strong there and made it, you know, if it, that's covid, which I'm, I'm, I would say I, my gut instinct tells me 85%. Yes. Then it's like, you know, we are, we are really lucky in that way because our, our immune systems were so primed to battle.

Yeah. It's interesting. We've treated a bunch of people who had pneumonia in January and February. Yeah. Never, I mean, I almost never seen pneumonia in like, you know, 30 year old healthy people. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I saw like eight of 'em and I treated some family members who left right before and everybody was doing great and then they went and saw a bunch of other family members and all the other family members were sick.

And I'm, I'm almost positive with all covid and, and they all were sick for like a month. Right. And these two people that were at my clinic basically were got sick and were sick for one day and had no other symptoms. Yeah. Mine was for three days. And I'm like, you know, I just, I don't know, I have this really strong gut intuition and my intuition is rarely wrong.

And I just, I think that it was, that it was coronavirus and my body because of the treatments we did, was so strong that my symptoms were hardly anything. And, you know, that we were talking about before, cuz it's like,

other than food, if I could have one thing other than food and, well, I would say other than food and exercise, the only other thing that I would want is music. And so it's like we were talking about like, what's gonna happen? How, what, how are you gonna. You're gonna go, you're gonna have to go show, like a thing that says, oh, I got vaccinated on your phone.

Yeah. Get into a venue. Yeah. So, so, so to begin to think about that, but I think that there's a, there's vastly more that we can do to control our health. I understand. And, and, and, and so for example, for like the, the probability that somebody gets sick and dies is orders of magnitude higher if for, for certain conditions.

Like if people have diabetes ass outta control, they're gonna have a much higher probability of problem compared to somebody that doesn't. And so then, then I think there's gonna be a way to have an intelligent opening of society where we're gonna have certain groups where we're just gonna take super good care of them and super support them.

Right. But then if you're doing everything right, and then the reality is is that you probably got it, then you should probably be able to go give concerts and give, do small things. Yeah, do small shows and reengage. Like that's what I'm, we have to, we have to get out there and start to do that. That, yeah, I totally agree with that.

And also like, if, if, if you're looking at, at Sweden who did that, who, like, they prepared for the people that were gonna be mostly affected, but also, like, there's not a lot of sick people there. There's no obesity. People do not eat the way that we do here. So it's like, you know, I don't know that, that, that method would work as well here.

If you're saying like, you know, most of the people that are, that are in, in the most danger are people with like, diabetes, obesity, you know, hor, you know, smoking. Like, they don't do any of that in Sweden. They smoke. I mean, not like Americans.

That's on the line. Yeah. But, but all the other stuff is accurate. But you're right there, there's a lot of things we can, they make up for it with vodka. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things that we can be doing to, to, uh, make ourselves healthy other than just waiting for a vaccine. I guess my fear is just like that the world will not be normal until there's a vaccine, and when there's a vaccine, you're going to need the vaccine.

Like we were talking about the card to do stuff, to go to school to, and I don't wanna talk, I don't wanna get into like anti-vax talk, but like, you know, like, it's like slippery slope, but it's like, I guess it's like, what, then what's the next year? Then what's, what's 2021 or the beginning of it at least, right.

I