Part 1: Dr. Cook chats with Jackee Stang from Delic Radio

It is super irritating to our immune system where our immune system's like, oh my God, it's Covid-19. We can't have that one. And so then it goes into like this crazy exaggerated response.

You're listening to the Bio Reset Medical podcast with Dr. Matthew Cook. The following is a discussion with Jackie Stan from the Deli Radio podcast, Dr.

Matthew Cook. How are you?

I'm awesome. I'm awesome. Yeah. I mean, kind of a silly question in considering the Times, and by that I mean we're like pretty much on lockdown with this Corona virus called Covid 19.

I know. It's so crazy.

Europe up in San Jose. Um, wait, before we get into it, for those listening, this is the second show, uh, Dr. Cook, or as I call him, doc, um, has been on Delic Radio. The first show, uh, I will put in the show notes. This is show number two, and, uh, today we're gonna talk about probably Covid 19. Um, but we can talk about other things too. So Doc, my friend, you are, you are up north in near San Jose. Um, what's the state of affairs up there with this Covid business?

So, you know, it's been so interesting, Jackie, cause um, the, you know, I started, I've been talking to, I've basically been talking to doctors like 24 hours a day for like the last. Couple weeks just trying to get a sense of like what's happening and where it is. And, um, yesterday somebody said we're 10 days ahead of Italy or 10 days behind Italy.

Mm-hmm. And, and I think we're a little bit behind Seattle, but not a lot. And I think LA is just a little bit behind us. And so then I have been just, I basically took like every penny that I have of just stock filing stuff. We've got, you would believe my stuff. Like my house is like a, a mash unit, but, um, and so we've just been, I've just been, and I've just been like, I've done an ID every day for the last six days.

So it's, it is crazy cuz I feel probably better than I've ever felt in my life. Um, just which it feels wrong. Like this friend of mine called me right as I was getting ready to do this, and then he goes, um, he goes, how are you? And I go, I'm amazing. And he goes, if you just lied to me, could cheer me up at work.

But, but, but, but, but the other side of the coin is that this is, um, the most chaotic and stressful thing that has happened in our lives and, you know, in the last 50 or 60 years. And, um, it's gonna be a disaster. And so I'm just kind of trying to figure out how, how to prepare for it.

Wow. So when you say, okay, two things.

So I had a staff meeting yesterday to just help. Wrap our heads around all of this. And I brought up the point you just made that for a lot of us, this is wildly significant, if not the most significant cultural thing that's happened, and maybe 50 years to which he replied, well, perhaps that's to an American.

Right? So there are other cultures across the globe that have gone through pandemics. Uh, I don't know if you have any thoughts on, on why or how this is different. I mean, it feels different because the, to me, because, well, a, the media, but also it's affecting the globe at large, uh, as opposed to just one, um, locale region of the world.

And then, um, when you say it's going to be a disaster, what do you mean by that?

Oh, so it's, it's interesting. Yeah. I see. Cuz this one the, is the way that the, um, virus works is it's in respiratory droplets that can get onto your hands. It can, when, if you're just talking, standing next to somebody, they can, it can, you can get exposed to it and then it'll get into your nose and mouth and eyes and sinuses and it can start to replicate there.

And then what it can do is it can go down and it can start to affect the lining of the lungs. And then it can, it can have inflammation there. And then what can happen is your immune system can start to have a inflammatory response to, to this infection, your immune system trying to. And the normal scenario is, is that you would just do that.

It works. And, and younger people generally are a little bit better. And, and there is, they're a little bit better at just having their cells go in and kinda like a seal team fix, take out like the virus or the bacteria and then everything's fine. Cause cells are like good at killing things like white blood cells.

But sometimes when we get older, we've are, our cells are not working quite as good. And so then we rely on making antibodies and uh, and we use these things called cytokines to, to kill infections. And the, the thing that can happen is that can go crazy outta control. And it's my analogy I came up with the.

There's a bunch of shoplifters and we gotta get 'em. But instead of like setting in the police for 'em, they sent in like they called in a drone. And so then they took out the shoplifters, but, but they also took out the shopping center where the, where, where they're at. So it's like a drone strike in response to shoplifting.

And that's kinda like what's happening here. And so then that can cause massive scarring of the lung. And then, then that's, it is called a rdf. And when that that happens, then what can happen is, is someone can need to be put on a ventilator for like two weeks and they, and they're put on a ventilator, kinda like somebody in a coma.

And then they have to sedate them and then breathe with them with a, a ventilator for like a week or two. Now the problem is the way that it's being spread, we may have like, Somewhere between like 200, 250,000 people in the country that might need to be put on a ventilator, maybe more. Um, and we might only have a hundred thousand ventilators.

So then that would mean like half the people that need to go on a ventilator, they just say, we don't have a ventilator for you because we, you know, all the ventilators normally just are somebody's being, they're being used, they're like at 80% occupancy. And so we could have a scenario where we have, and that's what's happening in Italy right now, where they don't have enough ICU beds to take care of the people.

So people are dying. Which is, and, and I mean, that's like a heartbreaking, heartbreaking, is made like, like, uh, awful scenario.

It's not always the lungs. The vi viruses don't always attack the lungs. Right? Sometimes they attack different mucus membranes in the head. Uh, like why is it, is it the virus that's super strong and because it moves into the lungs and then it affects the lungs differently than the regular flu or the other viruses that we're more familiar with?

Um, I'm trying to wrap my head around like the specificity that it's really hurting people's lungs, or is it the rate at which it re the, the rate at which it, um, whatever doubles the cells or whatever.

Most viruses come and they're, it's kinda like irritating, but it's like not that irritating. So union system's like, oh, we just gotta go get that.

Like, there's, there's some people trying to break in, but like they're out the outer gate. Like, tell 'em they can't come in. Right. That's like, that would be like one level of like, kind of a mild virus. That, that was not that much of a gangster. And so then the immune system is kind of like paying attention to it and might even let it come in, but it's just not too strong.

And so it doesn't pack that big of a and so it, it, it can go and, and so those type of viruses, they can get into our lungs. They get into their, our gut. That's why sometimes you can get like diarrhea all the time. There's a whole bunch of common diarrheas that kids get all the time. Um, uh, but then this one for some reason has enough of a punch.

And then it also is super irritating to our immune system, where our immune system's like, oh my God, it's covid-19. We can't have that one. And so then it goes into like this crazy exaggerated response. And that exaggerated response is, is the thing that causes the lung injury is actually not the virus, but it's our response

to the virus.

Fascinating. So when you say crazy response, we're talking like, like the same like in multiple sclerosis situation where the, where it's working overtime and actually hurting itself.

It's so, it's a crazy response where the immune system starts sending messages that this is a problem and we've gotta deal with it.

And the messages, there's the immune system has kind of two ways to communicate and it's kind of like, because immune, the immune system is like the cop in our body. So one part of the immune system is the good cop, which is like anti-inflammatory and healing and good. And then one part of the immune system is like bad cop.

And so that's like, Hey guys, we gotta go, we gotta go kill this bacteria. It's really bad. Come on, let's go kill it. Um, and so then what? Did you ever see the movie the Other Guys with Royal Ferrell and Mark Walberg?

I ca like halfway on a plane because Matt was watching it.

Oh, there was a, there's a Larry scene where Royal Ferrell goes, Hey, I thought we were gonna play Bad cop, bad cop.

Th that's what this is. Like,

oh yeah, I saw that scene. That's like the scene I saw. Okay.

Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, so, and so then what happens is the immune system is going, oh, it's going crazy. But instead of, normally it's a little bit bad cop, but then that cur the bad cop gets turned off by the good cop. And so there's a balanced response.

But when it goes bad cop, bad cop, then what happens is, is the immune system, um, uh, It becomes, it creates an overwhelming amount of inflammation. And that inflammation, um, when the immune system does that, it's called a cytokine storm. Hmm. And, and, and so then that storm and that storm it, at first, that storm is happening in the lungs, but then later on that storm starts to move all over to the body.

And so when it moves all over to the body, then it can cause low blood pressure and all that stuff. And then the other thing that's interesting is once all of that stuff happens, then this virus can, can actually start to attack people's kidneys in a heart. Um, and so it can do it, it's, it has some. It's, it's, it's, it's powerful.

It, it's dangerous.

So not to diminish the seriousness, the biological seriousness of this virus at all. Okay. But as a layperson and an non doctor, I ha I'm like, I'm forced to kind of think about it in this way so I can understand it. But, so I, I had a, a call earlier with a psychiatrist, um, and a couple calls over the weekend about sort of like, what is this mean philosophically, right?

What is this, what is this saying about our culture, um, outside of how it actually affects the body? But it's like, it sounds like the way you were describing the immune response is, is similar to even conversations you and I have had about the Amy brain or the flight or fight response. To trigger stimuli.

And, and in my case, because of childhood trauma, that's not resolved yet. I see like a banana as a lion. And so my, my, my nervous system responds to this, this, this stimuli in an aggressive way. And then I'm like, you know, and then that's huge. Stress response is not very good for my, for my anything. So I don't know if that's a good comparison or not, but that's kind of what I was thinking about when you were describing

it actually.

That's a good one. Cuz I, I was, that's like you took something that I said and made it your own. Um, so at, at any second, our brain is kind of, Paying attention and looking around. So it's kind of like somebody's listening to the podcast or like me just sitting here looking outside, and so I'm making a judgment and we're continually making a judgment.

Are we in relaxed and everything's fine and it's great? Or are we in fight or flight? And it's like, we gotta get outta here and fight or flight. The fight or flight control center is a place called the amygdala. And so I call it, I call it crazy, Amy, for short. And, and if you're, if everything, and normally we flip back and forth between rest and relax and fight or flight, super easy.

And so then little kids, like if, if they get super scared, they're like chaotically scared, but then they realize it's just like you. And they're like, oh, that was funny. And then it's like they totally go back to being normal. But if, if you or I got crazy, like scared worse of upper whole life, A lot of times we might still be stuck in fight or flight for the rest of the day, or maybe even more than that.

And so, and so, uh, all of yoga, meditation, life, everything is designed to kind of teach us how to calm down and reset ourselves now. So then back into a, a harmonious balance between, you could call it rest and relax. You could rest and relax versus fight or flight. You could call it, uh, yin, which is feminine or young, which is masculine.

So these different kind of ways of being. But you could, and I, I, you picked up on this and that's really good. You could say that what happens with, with this disease when it goes crazy outta control is, is it is just like the immune system is an ultimate fight or flight. And that leads to dysfunction.

And then once organ systems start to have dysfunction, then it can, that's a problem.

Yep. Do you think,

do you think that we can, we, the collective we can get to a place with our reset abilities? Maybe not now. Maybe there's a few people that can do this now in, in the world, but we can get to a place where we get infected with a strong virus and we can use certain, um, wellness techniques or reset mind reset techniques while we're sick to.

Like, talk to our immune system or adjust the immune system's response, um, in addition to, of course, the medical treatments that you're getting. But like, are we, I guess what I'm asking is when we come into contact with viruses like this or disease, um, are we just then subject to the external medical treatments or is there like, hope for, for us, the patient to have like a, a partnership with the external treatment and like, and help create better results?

You know, that's a, it's interesting to think about that, Jackie, because the, the, um, That's almost like all that I'm thinking about other than thinking about everything else is how to do that all the time. You know? Now the, the issue is, is if there was some issue that you had that was like a long-term thing, so like, let's say, let's say you had a little bit of anxiety, just like, oh, okay, so then you've got anxiety and then we're gonna do all kinds of other things to kind of calm down the fight or flight nervous system.

And the beautiful thing is, is we got like 6,000 years to kind work on that, right? So we got, we got a long time and everything's gonna be great and, and if we don't do it today, then we'll do it tomorrow. And, and if it was, if it was in terms of an infection, let's people have all kinds of infections. But certainly we know that the immune system works way better when you're in rest and relax.

And I think one way to think about it is just if you're in full sight or flight, the immune system's like, this is crazy. We don't even know if we're gonna get outta here. And so then it doesn't really go into fighting really well until it can calm down a little bit. I don't know if that's the best analogy, but it's almost a way to think about it.

The problem with the virus is that it's so accelerated that it's kind of like it's easy when your problems are two out 10 to meditate your way through it. And it's harder when it's like a 10 outta 10, but it's like if you know my friend Barb, you see how good she is generally like going through crazy stuff.

Mm-hmm. And, and, and I think all of us, the more tall and coherent that we get, as we kind of prepare to kind of face this, what will happen is, Our immune systems, we're getting our immune system kind of chilled out. That's what I've been doing for like the last week. I'm just getting myself super chilled and, and oriented and coherent so that when it comes, I'm gonna be totally ready for it and I'm gonna be like in the best possible state that I could possibly

be in.

So your recommendation as a doctor is to like preemptively work on your, uh, inner wellness, your stress levels, getting yourself to a happy homeostasis, which then allows your immune system to chill out, um, as sort of a preparation for this virus or any virus. Um, that, that's actually, I mean, yeah, that's useful, right?

It's just that no one ever talks about that.

I know it seems kinda crazy and it doesn't though.

I've been like, it seems super logical.

It's kinda interesting cause I had like 10 or 15 people and I wasn't even thinking like this to be honest, but 10 or 15 people over the last two weeks say, I bet you people are gonna be more interested in the stuff you talk about after this.

Oh yes. Um, a million percent. Not only that, but I think people, I hope that people will consider their everyday health in terms of what they eat, in terms of, um, you know, exercise, all these basic things that people talk about endlessly in health and wellness. Um, but we're still, at least America is still, you know, not necessarily in a practice of.

Of focusing on as a majority, I mean, um, so much of the Western medical system, and this is, you know, I grew up in it as, uh, my stepfather is a physician, my mother, a former rn. And, and it was just sort of like, you know, you live your daily life. Uh, you eat what you eat, mostly complex carbohydrates, total horseshit, um, sugar, and you just live your life.

And then when you get sick, you just trust the medical system to give you medicine. And that's what it is. That's what you do. That's your life. But almost zero emphasis on like, oh, no, well, the food you're eating actually is going to affect your experience when you get sick. Um, your stress levels, all of these things, if you care about those, if you pay attention to those, then the medicine might work.

Uh, may or may not, but might work better or you might have a better chance of healing faster, um, when you do get into these, um, scenarios.

Yeah, I know it's, it's interesting, the, the, if remember I said if your immune system is working, you can go back and forth and especially if the, the part like the SEAL team six that we have, like our killer cells and our immune cells are, they're super good at doing stuff.

And the thing that usually causes them to not work so well is because people have leaky gut and they've got food allergies and they've got like toxins. And so all of those things have happened and then all of those things have been happening for, you know, 20 or 30 years. And

your immune system's just like, man, I'm tired.

I'm tired.

Exactly. Exactly. And so that's fine. It's interesting. Uh, there's like all of these aphorisms that are, I love from, from books and stuff. And there was this expression that pneumonia is the old man's friend. Hmm. What is, what is, what is,

what does that mean? It's a

nice, it's a dark expression. It's super pneumonia.

It's like super dark. It's super co. Yeah. Yeah. But so the idea is like, but it's like maybe an old man, it was like may, like Hemingway or something, like, somebody like that. We gotta find it in the show notes. But, so the, somebody is in there, but you know, back in like the fifties, somebody was 70 or 80. That, now that seems like young to me.

Right? But, and so it was the old man and he was kinda sick and then he got pneumonia and then he died. Mm-hmm. And, and generally the reason for that was, is that he was going all along and then he got pneumonia and, and he was the victim of something called immune, uh, sort of immune senescence. The immune system was starting to just not work quite as well, and so then it just took them down and it, a pneumonia can, can take you down pretty quickly and that's why this current one is, can take and it can take people down at a much younger age.

It just happens to take down more people who are older that have other things going on. Right. But then, but then, you know, I was like, yeah, I loved how you were talking about like food and stuff like that. Like there's, there's nobody, there's, there's probably nobody in North America. That loves croissants more than me.

Like if you said, if you said that like you could like have a diet that was based on like croissants and french fries and ice cream, I would've been like in heaven. You know? But like, I just like, I just like made this realization that I like that stuff is not good. And so then I just said, I'm not gonna eat croissants anymore.

And then I was like, and after I did that, I go, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna quit ice cream and uh, french fries, but I will eat french fries like once a year, which I, and I do, I still do that once. That's fair. That's totally fair. Fair. Yeah.

And I love that. Yeah. And then it's, then it's amazing and, um, worthwhile experience because you've only done it once and all.

Yeah. And,

and honestly, I would, if I went to France with you and that I would probably, uh, and, and a bunch of people I would like go have croissant, but then, but then what, what, and I haven't had one years and years and years, but then what, what that means is this is like, like this is an opportunity for like all those people that are like all up in the world and everybody's at home.

Like, like, and so you can kind of make a decision and it's like your consciousness is aware of it. If you just say, you know what? I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna make this the healthiest year of my life, and I'm just gonna like, totally go for it. And then once you get like some momentum behind that idea, And then like you start, like next thing you know, you start like socializing that with your friends and, and then like then, and then as I, as I like to say, Jackie, then something amazing is gonna happen that you can't predict, but that will.

And so maybe, maybe it'll make you, you know, is there data that says that's gonna make you resistant to Covid? No. But, uh, does it make sense and would it help you feel better? And is it probably gonna help you be re resistant to things in the future? And is that journey gonna take you somewhere that's probably way better than ever anywhere you, you would've been otherwise?

Probably. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Listen, the only way to, uh, experience amazing things is to try And we've convinced ourselves sometimes, uh, without generalizing too much, but I think. You know, at least where I grew up, there's this notion like, oh, amazing things are just gonna happen. Or like, I should feel amazing just because I'm human.

Well, yeah, by you are, you're just by being human is miraculous and like the body that we're in is so super smart if we maintain it and treat it right and feed it right and all these things, but, um, but you're not going to feel amazing by eating french fries every day. It's just not, it's just like, it's just not gonna happen.

So we have to like stop pretending, um, that amazingness is just gonna fall out of the sky and start empowering ourselves to create it on our own with diet. And these things are like, It sounds so cliche almost now, but, and yet it's like the answer's been in, in front of us this whole time. Like we have the tools through diet, exercise, and then stuff like what you do, because unfortunately we're, we're missing so many of the nutrients and, um, the things that, uh, you would normally get from food, I don't know, hundred, hundreds of years ago, maybe thousands, I dunno.

Mm-hmm. Um, and now we have to get micronutrients, um, in IVs or, you know, in other ways. Um, but, uh, yeah, uh, I, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope that, um, despite the, the pain that this is putting our culture, our species through that, um, people will see the opportunity, like you said, to. To find

my, oh, I, I have a, yeah, I have a good one for you on this one.

Oh, yeah. I did this to you. I, I did this when I was talking to you and Matt the other day. Yeah. And I, I'm in into this idea cause, and it's like, I figure out generally my better ideas just by talking to you guys or people. Mm-hmm.

You know, it's just us. It's just by talking at me and Matt. That's

it Primarily.

I, I've been admitting that probably my best ideas do come talking to you. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you. So the part of like my whole P T S D conversation is like in reframing, you know, how like something happened to you that was terrible. Like whatever it was like 25 years ago. And so then we have like the script of that story and you know how it starts out.

Like if it was obviously terrible and like this happened, So then we go through group, but then as we go, the story sort of changes because then all of a sudden you realize, well, because of that thing, it led me to point B. And then point B was quite helpful in my life. And then point B led me to point C, which was totally amazing.

And I'm kind of actually bizarrely grateful for point A because it did take me to point C, even though at the time I didn't like it. So then later on you start to get a little gratitude for the first thing that happened, even though was traumatic. The thing that I've been trying to do, and that's what I've been trying to do in this situation for the last week, most of the time, is be this point and then try to.

An amazing solution and then try to navigate to that solution while you're in the state of chaos. We can talk about this because I was strategizing what to do, but then it, it kept changing and so then I was trying to see into the future. It's kinda interesting, but

yeah. You mean in terms of how you are, how you are going to help because you're a doctor and you have access and resources.

Yeah, so that like, I was like, I was like, I had my plan, right? And so then I was like, I'm gonna do this, and so then I was like, I'm just gonna start. But then I talked to my letters and they were like, You just gotta go like, sit somewhere and watch everybody and not do anything. Cause it's like too dangerous.

Well, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm just gonna laugh because Yeah, that's ex, that sounds exactly like what a lawyer would say. Um, but I'm, I know, I, I typically not, don't like agreeing with lawyers, but in this particular case, because you are our friend, uh, I, I'm happy about that.

If somebody was made for this thing, it was like me because like, I'm anesthesiologist.

I used to work in ICUs. I used to take care of people in ICUs. I like know about sepsis. I know how to manage 'em. And then what are the things that have been tried, like stem cells? Um, exosomes are gonna be tried. Um, vitamin C I get vitamin C every single day in my id. Uh, antiviral stuff. Antiviral drugs.

You do the ozone, ozone. Ozone is like probably like, And so literally every, every possible thing. And so then I was like talking around all my nurses and they were like, definitely, like, you were crazy. So then I was like, okay. So I literally bought everything and I'm like, and I a bunch of stuff that I kinda like magical, like Corin and do the laine.

So I was like, okay, I'm gonna send everybody home and I'm just gonna go in and infect myself and just treat everybody. Oh my God. And then I was like, they, they shut down every business. So I was like, and, and, and like, they literally shut down all, all the businesses today. I was like, fuck. I was like, I had a plan.

I, like, I literally called every day like I'm doing this. And so then, uh, and, and so then I was, so then I sat there and I go, I need to come up with a new solution. So then, Move my whole clinic into my house. So I'm here. This is like ground zero. Like I'm sitting here, just kind of like waiting for the storm

to come.

We're call, we're talking to Doc right now, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, from his house, uh, ground zero, uh, from a phone. We're going to check in with him several times during this quarantine phase. And uh, and uh, we're going to do it from Skype computer next time. But you know, you gotta eat, listen, publish or perish.

You gotta just fucking, like you said, find solutions. You gotta pivot. And, uh, okay, we're talking about ozone. So I know ozone for as this sort of like alternative treatment for years, right? Um, but it seems to just now be kind of getting some light and coming out of the shadows as like, A legitimate, but I mean, it's always been legitimate, but a really extremely useful treatment for

viruses.

Yeah, it's, it's crazy. It's interesting, so when you, you've, you've, if you've ever been in a late storm, you've smelled it because when el, when you mix electricity and oxygen together, Then, uh, it can form a number of different species where instead of just having two oxygen molecules come together, which is oh two, you can have three of 'em come together, which is oh three.

But then when the three of them come together, it, it can, they all start the breakdown and that creates an oxidation reaction. And, and, and that oxidation reaction can have a whole bunch of beneficial effects on biological

systems. So, okay, here's another lay question. In the world, in the world where oxidizing food, for example, is bad, um, yeah.

How then is oxygen good inside the body for, you know, treating inflammation?

So what happens is that the human body. Has a, is constantly doing oxidation reduction reactions. There's a whole bunch of parts of biochemistry that are like, uh, an assembly line, but at a certain point you need to do something, uh, to move it to the next step in the assembly line.

And a lot of times that thing that you have to do is an oxidation reduction reaction. And so then that can facilitate movement. And so we do that when we burn, when we burn energy in the body. The thing that does that for us is n a d. So N a D facilitates a whole bunch of oxidation reduction reactions in the body.

And so then ozone, uh, uh, does this, has this oxidation effect. And when ozone has an oxidation effect, um, in the body, for example, in the blood, one of the things that it can do is it can reduce. Um, it, it, it can oxidize sulf, pedrol groups on viruses. So viruses have like a little landing gear that they use to land on the cells, and then ozone can, uh, oxidize and if it oxidizes that it, it makes it so the landing gear doesn't work that well.

And so then the, the virus has a hard time getting into the cell. The other thing is ozone. Because it's oxidizing, it can have, it can actually just kill a virus. Hmm. And then, and, and so that oxidation effect, and then the other thing that ozone can do is, but because it has an oxidizing effect on our body, our body goes, oh, no, you didn't.

And then our body creates a crazy antioxidant response to the ozone. And so then by doing a little bit of something bad, it can be good. Now by comparison, Now, now. But that means it's crazy important that you give the right dose. Cause a little bit of it could be good, but too much of it could be bad.

It's like, like

psychedelics. Kinda like psychedelics. Yeah. So for example, like in the blood, the blood is, there's is has a huge buffering capacity. So you can put a little bit of ozone in there. The blood's like, okay, that's fine, I'm gonna buffer you out. Uh, but then the other thing that happens is if there's viruses floating around in the blood, they can't deal with that.

They don't have enough of a buffering capacity so they can get killed by the ozone. Now other parts of the body, like for example, if you were to breathe ozone into your lungs, It would be toxic to your lung because your lung also doesn't have a very good buffering capacity on the, on the, on the side where the air is.

So the alveoli are real, uh, are real, uh, fragile. Hmm. And so then, so then oso ozone has this effect. And interestingly, there's all kinds of things, like you can put ozone in an oil and then you can take that ozone oil and put it in your nose and in your throat. And that may have a little bit of an antiviral effect, can, there's this company called Longevity.

Uh, they make these ozone generators. I'm gonna send you one. Um, and, uh, they have something where you can bubble the ozone through olive oil and it makes it less toxic and it can have, uh, an effect that, uh, a lot of people with chronic, like nasal infections and get benefit from, um, you can make ozone and then you can, uh, put it in a bag and then you can give an enema of it.

And then some of that ozone can go across the wall of the colon and then it can get into your bloodstream. Uh, and you can, so you can do it that way. Or you can put an IV in and then pull some blood out and mix that blood with ozone and put it back in. And so then, and you can even take the gas and inject it into joints and stuff like that.

There's like a whole bunch of different things that are interesting to do. And it's interesting because I'm. I am pretty knowledgeable and teach people a lot about ozone, but I, I general, because it's so off label, I have never really talked about it on podcasts because I'm kind of more famous for talking about stem cells or ad or ketamine and stuff like that.

But I've been using ozone to help people with viruses for years and years and years and years. And, and so when I heard this and when I started talking to doctors around the world who kind of do similar stuff to me, they were all, everybody was like, well, you better be ready to do ozone. Um, and so then I'm trying to, and it is crazy, like I just found out.

I may go to, they may have me go to China. I'm, and I'm, I may go to South Africa and I may go to Brazil to treat people with those treat famous people zone because it's, it's, it's, it's one of the bigger things. So we're trying to figure out how to do a bunch of clinical trials around, around the use of it and, and, and see what happens with

it.

Amazing. It seems like a pretty simple system. Uh, a simple, yeah,

it is. It's like a system that like a bunch of naturopaths do. Yeah. Like I met, um, when I first found out, I, when I first found out about it, because I was like an anesthesiologist, like doing like breakout plexus injections and like working in ICUs and they, they told me like, oh yeah, we do ozone.

And I was like, I just about fell off my chair laughing because I was like, you gotta be kidding me. And, but you know, then if sitting from where I sit now, I realized if I. I was locked in a box where I couldn't think of anything that was outside of like a super traditional paradigm, but lots of traditional, like doctors use those on in Germany in like more kind of sophisticated places than America.

Um, and so I think that, I think that what's gonna happen is, and I'm not telling you that it's effective for Covid, but my, I'm telling you that my prediction is that, you know, somebody, one epidemiologist I heard today predicts that half America is gonna get this. And I think that in a year from now, there's gonna be 10 trials.

They're gonna show that ozones safe, uh, to give to people with these infections and that it lowers mortality. I did not say that. I think that's the case now. Um, my prediction is, is that that's what we will find. We, we will. I, I think that's, that's what the data is going to bear out.

So let's talk about this is, this is serious guys.

I and you doc you and I have talked a little bit about it. Um, is there, I think that I had Covid 19.

Uh, interestingly, I've been hearing stories all over LA and Seattle on the west coast in San Francisco of people that had symptoms like that. And so I've had, I don't know, probably 20 people tell me over the phone.

Oh, I think I had Covid in January. Like, uh, and so, um, I had four conversations about it yesterday and um, and so I think, I think there's probably a good chance you did have it. And especially with that high fever. And did your, was your throat really

sore? I don't think so. I think my throat, my throat was only sore from coughing.

It creates this like, it, it, it's really inflammatory to your lungs. That's what it was. Why? It can cause like an, that's why it can cause the pneumonia and it can cause that fever, but I bet you there's a good chance that you had it.

Yeah, it was nasty and that had me out. I don't like get, I don't get, you know, laid out.

I couldn't function, like my brain was too hot to think, um, for five Right. For six days

straight. So then it's unfortunate because it would've been, it would've been, um, it would've been amazing to treat you at, at that time. But then interest, the interesting thing is, is that like I come from like the western medicine box, like I come from deep, I come, I left to all pupil Jackie, that I come from the heart of the medical industrial complex.

It's like we used to call, I, I trained at U C S F in San Francisco and there was this big hospital and called U C S F, which is uc, San Francisco. And the, uh, the, the, um, it was before they built their new campus. Um, cuz I'm really old. And uh, so they, uh, we used to call it the, the main campus, which was the Death star, um, which is a little bit like the western medicine attitude a little bit, kinda like Vader.

But, uh, the um, The interestingly, we, there have not been a lot of great treatments for viruses that came outta Western medicine. Right. Which is why, which is what has sent me down this road because it's like I just kind of, I evolved into this kind of interesting place of just trying to find solutions.

And so then I found a lot of really interesting solutions. And it's been interesting because I've been doing work in virology. I did this research project in college and then I keep bouncing around to kinda helping patients with, you know, viral problems, you know, over the last 25 years in part because there just haven't been a lot of great solutions from Western medicine.

And you know, something good outta this is my prayer would be that. If we get really good data, like, you know, I've had literally 15 ozone doctors that are famous, call me and say, you know what? The good thing that's gonna come out of this is, is that if we can get data and prove how effective this is, then that will lead to a regulatory pathway for ozone, which would be kinda amazing.

And then the other thing is that I've got like six or seven other things up my sleeve that I'm gonna be quietly testing once it gets here. I'll be able to, you know, I'm gonna, I'm trying to get some trials like going like really fast so that then we begin to kind of like, see, like broaden our toolbox a little bit in terms of like, so that we can meet this in the best possible way we can.

And I think that the way that you do it is by having a combination, uh, like, you know, in, in, in, in kind of the supplement world. They talk about, oh, what's your stack? And they'll, you'd say, hi, take like vitamin B and I might take some vitamin C and you know, this or that. And so then we're gonna have the ultimate stack for coronavirus, which is, you know, probab.

I, my guess is it's gonna be vitamin C is gonna be IV vitamin C. It's gonna be, uh, a combination of different tools of ozone. I think the best thing is gonna be ozone dialysis, which we do. The second best thing is gonna be high dose ozone therapy. The third best thing is gonna be like, uh, regular one pass.

The fourth best is gonna be like recal low zone. The fifth best is gonna be like some of the nasal things, and then using like a, the, a super amazing stack of vitamins and minerals and, and adjunct modalities, you know, but, but, but, uh, I think that when people start to do those things, We will take a whole bunch of those bad cop, bad cop situations that I was talking about and calm them down before it gets outta control.

Do you think, so

we've, we talked about n a d on the last, um, podcast you were on. Uh, I think it's called Ask Dr. Cook, um mm-hmm. I fucking love n a d. Big fan. Huge fan. And uh, do you think once, like do you think that's useful in a, in treatment once somebody has covid or it's more preventative to just prepare your body?

Okay, so that's a good one. Like, this is basically still my attitude, Jackie, as I'm like, I'm standing here looking over Silicon Valley and I'm kinda like, you know, I told a friend of mine, I said, I'm here and I'm fully prepared. And I said, if you get sick, you're gonna come to my house and I'm just gonna stay with you and quarantine myself and cure you.

I would not say that to like a normal person. Mm-hmm. I, there's only like 10 people I would say that too. Mm-hmm. But, but, um, but so then, then you begin to kinda look at, so then look, look at the different sort of products. N a d is amazing at facilitating all these oxidation reduction reactions. Our levels decrease from age one to age 90.

And so who are the people who are having all these problems? Older people. Okay. Now what One of the things that Na d is really good at doing is helping reset the electrical charge on yourself. And so I've been thinking about this idea a lot the last week because what is this virus doing? It's got this little landing gear that's landing on the cell and then it inserts, its like genetic material into the cell.

Oh, it's so trippy. It's kind of like, it's very like, uh, it's very like the matrix. Super sci-fi. It's super sci-fi. And so then, so then what, so we're thinking about some strategies. So like I talked about how ozone can be kinda have this negative effect on the virus or, or ozone might have an effect on the landing gear or just the ability of it to land.

And so then, um, that's one thing. But then the other thing is if you make the cell super healthy, then I ask a hypothetical question. So one thing N A D probably does is helps maintain the electrical charge of the cell. So if the cell has a super strong electrical charge and the membrane's working well, is it possible that that membrane might be slightly less susceptible to the virus infection?

Hmm. Okay. Now we take care. I, I have a ton of experience taking care of people with chronic viral things from herpes to HIV to hepatitis, um, you name it, to cmmb, to SBAR virus. I mean, uh, to, uh, this's one called Herpes six. Ooh, what's herpes? We, we see it's like, it's not like a sexually related one, but it's just like another related, so there's actually a whole bunch of different herpes viruses.

Yeah, that's a, that's a, we should talk about that on a future podcast. When's not happening? And the wild misconceptions about. Um, H S V. Well, how would you classify them? HSV viruses? Or is that, I know that

there's, there's like a category of herpes viruses. Like there's a family, there's

a bunch of 'em, and a, and a lot of people have them.

A lot of people aren't symptomatic, but nonetheless, you have the virus and then the, the intelligence of the herpes virus is, uh, is pretty, is super trippy too. Um, but we could talk about that later time. But anyway, you were talking about, um, yeah,

so, so if you make the cell super healthy, and so then also n a D is helping inside the cell.

N A N A D is like a signal. And, and I think of n A D as kinda like, and, and if your n a D levels are high, it means you have like a lot of energy. So if your N A D levels are high, it's kinda like, Hey guys, economic indicators are great. Economy's gonna be good. Let's go for it. If you want a loan to expand our economy needs

some N A D for sure.

Our, our economy super needs some n a, it's like our economy today, today, I think was the biggest crash of all time. Or, or one of 'em. Like the, and so our economy needs an n a D, you know? Totally. So in the way, in, in the similar way, could n a D be helpful? Well, I can't tell you with, with all of the people that I see that have chronic viral things and chronic infections, when we start to do strategies to improve N A D, so sometimes that's like supplementation.

Um, and sometimes that's actually with using the N A D, you can inject it subcutaneously. If people call us, I can talk here on the phone and do telemedicine and then I can ship you n a d that you can inject subcutaneously. I do that. I can, yeah, you do that. I mean, it's like the greatest thing in the world.

And so then that's like another way to increase your N A D I I did n a D every day for the last six days, and the reason I did it was I was like, I'm gonna get myself, I'm gonna get my biology as dialed in as is humanly possible so that like when the storm comes, when that virus comes to get on the epithelium, I, I'm already like, like the, hopefully that I've got that epithelium so healthy that it's like a little resistant.

Is there data to prove that? No, we just kind of have this anecdotal sense that people do better Now, interestingly, it's affecting all those epithelium and causing scarring. And that scarring is what is leading to the fibrosis of the. But, uh, but N A D N A D is, is, is sort of amazing and so, and can help, uh, different systems in different ways, which is cool.

One quick question again about hydrogen or about ozone. Uh, a practical question. Um, so is it true that a sort of at home version of ozone therapy, say that in quotes, is just like pouring a bunch of hydrogen peroxide in your bathtub, in your, like in your Epsom salt bath? Does that work in the same way?

Um, I'm not follow, I'd like the analogy, but I'm trying to understand what, what do you mean by

that?

I just, I think I read it, I was living in London and I didn't have access to ozone, um, when I, you know, my early biohacker days and, uh, Uhhuh and, and I just read that like. Hydrogen peroxide creates somehow an ozone

effect. Oh, okay. I didn't understand the question, but that also is a very, very, very good question, man.

Three for three. You nailed it. You nailed it. So, um, so then, um, there are a bunch of, so then if, so, now we're going back to the infectious disease kinda world of functional medicine. And it turns out that, that, um, ozone is not the only oxidative kit on the block. And the other, one of the other oxidative kit on the block is hydrogen peroxide.

There are a bunch of doctors in kind of the integrative medicine space that have for years been doing IV therapy with hydrogen peroxide. Because the hydrogen oxide has an oxidizing effect and I think can create some ozone and, and then in doing so, can kill bacterias and viruses. And, and the people who are doing these are a lot of times people with Lyme disease and chronic viral things.

And so they've had that strategy. What my experience has been is this, that. Remember I said, uh, you have to have the dose, right? Because if you get too much, it's not good. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I have seen countless numbers of people that got the hydrogen peroxide IVs, and then it completely scars up their veins and they end up with no veins.

Ooh. And so it's a, it's a catastrophe. And the problem is, is that, that then, if the doctor only knows how to do hydrogen peroxide, they were like, well, you're sick. Let's just keep doing some more hydrogen peroxide. And so then they don't have any IVs. And so I've had a number of people come see me and they just like, don't have any veins.

And so then you're like, oh, that's not good. Now, um, Ozone is much forgiving. Much more forgiving. But I've got fantastic news for you, Jackie. Ooh, what's that? Even people that have kind of like no veins. If you ha, if you give those peop, if you start giving those people n a d subq and start having, have 'em take like n a d supplements and stuff, like we, we have one, the what will happen is eventually you'll start to heal those veins.

And so then I'll, a lot of times I'll sit with, I'll be sitting with and talking to people and um, and kinda like this, kinda like how I talk to you when I'm, if, if you, if you come to the clinic and then I'll go, Hey, oh my God, you look how good yours look. And they're like, I know they came back. And interestingly, if the is helping yours in your hand, In your arm, it's probably helping your veins and your heart and lungs, and it's probably helping your veins and your brain, which is one of the other reasons why I feel like n a d could be helpful in this situation.

Mm. Now what's gonna happen is if I just say, screw it, let's do this, and I, I get the chance to treat people, which I hope I do, um, then I'm gonna be able to test it and we'll figure it out because we'll see how people feel. But I think that there's a hypothetical possibility that it could, um, lower the risk of scarring, and it could be good for the veins, but it could be, it could, it could be positive.

I don't know.

Let's close out with some practical advice from Dr. Cook. Like what? People, people are at home, they're self quarantining. They're soon to be, I hope, mandated quarantine, quarantining. Um, and they're, you know, they got a lot of time to focus on their health. Like, what can people do? What practices and disciplines can people start thinking about to arm themselves with wellness or to get on the road to

wellness?

So then number one, I think it's like, get in the right head space. Like, like, see, see yourself at the other end of this, like better and stronger. And then see that it's gonna somehow influence you in like, uh, uh, To bring with knowledge and wisdom and truth. This is, I this, these, I get these shirts and they have, it says, knowledge, wisdom, truth, and brochure.

Dennis. Beautiful. Amazing. But so imagine that that's gonna happen. There's a designer, I don't know the, I'm embarrassed that I don't know the name of the designer, but I, I I love the shirts. So anyway, the imagine that that's coming into your life and then imagine that, um, and then just sync productively.

So then take, take three to five things that are really terrible for you. And then just like, it's kinda like giving up something for, this is a good idea. I just got this one, Jackie. Yeah. How you give something up for Lent. Yep. So then give something up for quarantine. So like give up five things. Okay. So then now that just lowering that much toxicity.

I have to guess is gonna be pos, I'm gonna predict that that's gonna have a positive effect. Then what I would say is go to the vitamin front. So then vi a low vitamin D is, is bad for your immunity and low vitamin A bad for your immunity. So try to get a low vitamin D and vitamin A. And as far as vitamin D goes, you can be on quarantine, but you may be able to go get some sunshine and, and, and so little And that may be good.

I think exercise is gonna be really good, but not crazy heart. So I wouldn't be doing high intensity interval training and I kind of dialed back my exercise program to just being doing like moderate and I'm just like, I, I'm, it's almost like you're not in the Tour de France here. We're in like the training phase as we prepare for that.

Mm. Um, I think vitamin C really good. So I would, I would load up on as much vitamin C. And you know, it was amazing. I, I say stuff on podcasts and now it, it then it all of a sudden it's like, I was like, I started telling everybody about ozone generators, and then I called 'em, I was like, oh, get by the way, give me, I need like a ozone generator.

They're like, oh my God, there's like a hundred people on the list already. Hilarious. But so then like, I went to the grocery store, right? And so I was like, okay, let's do this. And then obviously like there's all the par, all the, the drag goods are gone. But there was like lemons there. They're like lemons going crazy.

And so like, I've been, I've been juicing like 15 lemons a day because I was like, there was like, I didn't feel bad because there was gigantic piles of lemons and nobody was taking lemons. So then get yourself some vitamin and get yourself some, maybe some plant-based hilarious. And so then, um, uh, Get yourself some balanced vitamins.

Um, if you, if you know somebody you, you know, who can, you know, call a doctor that can ship you some subq, n e d call a doctor that can, you know, ship you, there's a whole bunch of anti antiviral, let's say there's 50 different products on the market that, that are kind of antiviral, um, uh, that are, you know, we, we, we put up, I think we're gonna put up, uh, a couple products.

There's gonna be one that's gonna be on a place called the feed. Um, but we're gonna have some. Some anti antivirals, but I don't wanna promote one specific one. There's probably 40 or 50 that, uh, probably would be a useful thing to have in your stack. People. Um, zinc, if you can get zinc lodges, lozenges, and, you know, right now is kind of so crazy.

It's like literally y you know, I, I'm like, Just, you know, have I, I would say I probably have more access to almost anything on the planet than anybody that I know. And yes, I couldn't get zinc lozenges. So if you have zinc lozenges people, I have one bottle. Shit. Like, share them, share them with people, you know what I mean?

I'm like giving them out to people when I see him. Um, I, I would, uh, but zinc blocks the viral replication. Um, uh, if, if, and another thing that I can't seem to get, except, you know, I have a little bit of a secret way of doing it, but, um, uh, lysine, lysine blocks, viral replication. Yep. So that's a good one.

Like a lot of the, so then imagine if you're taking all of these vitamins and they're improving how your immune system works. You're avoiding these toxins and then maybe you get, uh, ozone generator and you're doing some rectal ozone, um, which I think would be an amazing idea. And, and you, um, uh, how much

is an ozone

generator?

There's the one that you're gonna get is gonna be like this deluxe premium package thing that I think is gonna cost like $4,000. But the one that, uh, a lot of people get is like, they have, I think they have one for like eight, $1,800 and one for maybe like $2,400, something like

that. But doing all that other stuff, that's a great place to start.

Go buy some fucking lemons,

make lemon, make, go buy some lemons and start juicing them. And, um, and then, and then here's the thing. Here's a, like all of that stuff being equal, like you've got, like, do you understand that this, have you been paying attention to this concept of flattening the curve? Yes. And I love that.

Like O A C, um, Like got out there and like put a text out that was, or tweeted out, that was like saying to people like, Hey, you guys, hey you millennials. Like, and, and actually like your podcast is probably somewhat millennial, like, listen up because it's all kind of fun games except like if it, if, if this spreads as wide as it could and, and affects as many people, then literally every ICU bed in the country is gonna be full and then like a hundred thousand people are gonna die, which would be crazy.

And so then that means like, literally, Like, if I go outside, I wear a mask. I don't touch anybody I don't like, um, uh, I keep my distance. Um, I, I'm like, like, I wish you could see my picture of my house. It's like super clean, wiping everything down, like wiping everything. Just be super, be kind of like a little bit of an oc d like clean freak, at least for, you know, the next couple months.

Yeah. And, and then we're gonna flatten the curve and then we're gonna stop this from spreading. I just found out, Jackie, that apparently Europe is kind in England. They're kinda like, let's just spread it around instead of, we get this over with like, somebody told me that, but um, the British

stiff.

Yeah, they're good.

So, but I'm actually, and ironically, guess what? I'm gonna do a podcast tomorrow with somebody, uh, uh, some health influencer in, um, in England. Good. But, um, but, so yeah, do all of those things and then take your health to, to the next level, and then know that there's a lot that you can do. And then come to Bio Reset Podcast, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna be podcasting, hopefully with you regularly, and we'll put it up.

But we're gonna, um, we're gonna be, we're gonna be talking and our knowledge is gonna grow exponentially because like this happened, and then there's already all kinds of trials that were literally done and published, and they're out there. So it's like this thing is happening and then we're getting to watch data.

It's almost like in real time, like this has never happened. And so then what I think what's, what's gonna come out of it? Is this, that we're gonna, we're gonna evolve into a way better form of communication and sharing information like among medical profe professionals, but then also patients. And then imagine as you do that, that that's something miraculous like that is gonna happen in your profession, in your field.

And that like, you're gonna be like infinitely better than, you know, in, in some way because of that. And then see that future now and then navigate to that position. Beautiful.

Um, if, if I had to choose like one of the top three things I've learned from you thus far, uh, I think the importance of mind over matter or believing in one's ability or my ability to heal myself, uh, and believing in my ability to, To get better or to feel g good feel to feel amazing, um, goes such a long way.

And you know, it sounds maybe trivial, but when you can take the time to really wrap your mind around your own ability to heal yourself, um, I think, I think that's like money. I think that's, uh, that's where we need to be

at. Oh, you want get, oh, do you wanna know a good one? Yeah, that's a good one. That's why my most productive times come from when I talk to you and because it's kind of hilarious for me because like, it, it's always like if there's like, and, and we, me and Matt have a production company that other people dunno about yet called We Care and we care.

But then what's interesting is when I talk to you is just that. Uh, it, it, it always starts out in, in the state of like something that's suboptimal. Right. And yet, now I know because of the way that you've just opened yourself up to the idea that it's gonna be okay. That at the beginning of the conversation, I have generally no idea at all what, what the solution is.

Like I, I, I know the solution of where I think I'm gonna go 0% of the time. Because if it was an easiest, if it was that easy, it wouldn't be a problem. Right. But Right. But then the hilarious thing is because I'm not having an attitude like I know then it's kind of like this interesting thing of evolving into watching to see where it's gonna go.

And then it's almost comical cuz it's like, well, if we're not doing good, but at least we care. That's why we call it we care, you know, productions. But then what happens is almost all the time, then what happens is you, it's like the idea dawns on yourself that you're like, actually, okay. And then all of a sudden it's like the light bulb comes on and then it's like, oh, I'm okay.

It's

definitely like a light bulb comes on. And I don't know, man, I don't know what it is. I just know that it works. It's cer, it's helped, it's helped me, um, measurably move forward in my wellness journey. And it's not what I expected. You know, we, I think we're taught that well doctors have all the answers.

The doctor's the gonna fix everything that we, all of a sudden, like as the patient don't have to do anything, which I think is ridiculous. And also in this, this covid situation, I mean, we don't want people running around whether they get it or not. You know, the mass hysteria, um, that unfortunately Oh, oh

yeah.

I'm trying to think. Not so much like a doctor, but more like an entrepreneur. Hmm.

Creatively.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Because most people that I see are like, the vast majority of my practice is entrepreneurs. Mm-hmm. It's up one, one form or another. And so then I noticed they're just sitting there. This is maybe the best way to think about it.

They're just sitting there, it's like, oh, I have a problem. So then it's like, well, what's the, what's the solution? So it's like, oh, okay, well, and then next thing you know, and so then that may be now interesting. And so then that may be the way, cause we don't know, right now, we don't know like what the, the best thing is.

Um, but then every day we're gonna start to know more. And so if we get into kind of a calm, rest and relaxed state, get our immune system super dialed in, prepare our body to the best possible way based on our social and cultural kind of emotional, spiritual belief systems. And then we think like an entrepreneur and then we, we, we we're gonna crowdsource the solution to this.

I, I would say, I think that's what's gonna happen.

Oh yeah. It's, it gotta be, it's a global problem. We gotta work together. And, and

interesting. And, and now this is an interesting one too. I actually kind of like the way this is going because that means we're crowdsourcing information like at a level of health influencers, at a level of physicians, at a level of researchers.

And then this is the first time, that's why I'm kind of excited about this is, is because I have like a, I have a kind of a sense of optimism about it because I think what's gonna happen is, is there's gonna be, uh, hopefully a, like it's, it is like if you think of me, like all of the earth orthopedic surgeons that I used to work with, like completely adored me.

Okay. But like, they had like zero, like less than zero interest in like, anything that I had to say about vitamins or anything like that. They were like, I'm an orthopedic surgeon. I'm gonna cure the world with like a bone saw. You know? And, and I do love them, but, um, but like, I think the world is ready to have kind of a, uh, this, the world's ready to learn and, and we're gonna learn together.

And it's, and it's going to, the, the stack that we're gonna need to heal people I predict is gonna come part from naturopathic medicine, part from regenerative medicine, part from super academic, we western medicine part from, uh, pharma, part from biotech, part from spirituality. Part from shamanism, part from just collective group orientation and religion.

And, and then all of that's gonna come together. And then what I predict is that humanity is gonna be in a better place. And, and so then feel that, so this is like my idea of like the last two weeks. So then feel that, feel that place right now and then just start to, it's almost imagine like we're in that place right now and then connect to other people.

It was like interesting. It was like, I just was get, I gave all my staff IVs today just to kind of prepare them and so it was awesome. And it was like I could just kind of see as I was giving it to 'em and it was like, you know, I could just see that in their eyes they were like, We're gonna do this, and like we're gonna be okay.

Well that's some lucky staff for sure. And, uh, I, it'll be, it'll be really fun and about a year to come back around and, and see, uh, revisit your prediction and to see what people came up with, what the collective came up with to, on how to fix this and how to fix, um, future problems like this. Um, but, uh, I got a good one for you, a really good one for you.

Are you ready? Okay. Robert Graham. Robert Graham.

Shout out to Robert Graham. And then I wanna beat you someday because I like tell everybody about your, your, um, your, your shirt knowledge was, and then when I always, and I always wear those shirts in my office and then like, whenever, like it comes up. Like, then I'll say, and you know, uh, I'll pull it and then I'll it and I'll show it.

Then it's like, really? It's, it's cause it's embroidered and it looks super cool. And then, but then interesting Jackie, because then what I do is I put that on and then I put it on and I go like, because it's like my sup superhero outfit. Cause I go, I'm putting on knowledge, wisdom, and truth. And then my idea is, is that I'm putting that on and then I'm just like gonna go out there and be, and be like my best expression of that like in the universe.

And then interestingly then like we could kinda take, here's a good one for you. Okay. Think of. If you go back to the Matrix, that's basically who he was. Knowledge, wisdom, and truth. And then interestingly, who was attacking him, but a whole bunch of viruses all the time. Right. And so then it's like, and it's kind of interesting because if you think about it, in the Matrix, in the Matrix, it was just like, if the viruses were coming, it was like pandemonium.

And that is, I think, kinda like how the universe, the universe, I, I, I, my worldview is with the matrix is kind of like I, I do, I feel like I relate to it. Um, but then if you can adopt that like mentality and you get to the point, like he got, it's like Mr. Smith, it's like, cause Mr. Smith is so, such a, it's like, It's like, what?

You, you know, we're hanging out. It's like, whatever. It's like somebody's like at the door. So it's like, fine. Just like, tell him, tell him I'm busy. And so, but then it's like, if Mr. Smith was here, he's like the ultimate gangster. Like he Morpheus couldn't fight him. And then not only that, but like, remember the moment when Mr.

Smith stuck his hand into

Neo's chest? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Mr. Smith is a covid.

Yeah. And so then what happens is, like, and this is like, uh, I'm gonna do a podcast on, uh, uh, and if I'm gonna do a podcast, I'm gonna do one with her. But if you, if you wanted to do one, uh, with my friend Jesse, Just in general, if you wanna do a podcast with her, I'm gonna recommend her to you, but then maybe you could, we could even do one together because she's like very spiritually attuned.

Oh

yeah. You guys, you and Barb told you were telling us about her. I, I told you, Bob, she's, let's do it. Let's do it, man. I'm gonna, yeah, we'll do it. I, I'm gonna be locked up working recording. Uh, let's do it. I'd love to,

but so then imagine that you could get into that state that Neo was in, and then if that virus came, now here's the, here's the other thing to keep in mind, Jackie.

85% of the people are gonna be basically fine. Like, you basically probably had covid and you just got away with it. Right? And now

I'm like, immune. Right. I could go out into

the world. You're, you, you could probably go out in the world and you'd be fine now and. I'm gonna just get you more dialed in than you could possibly imagine.

And so then you can be fine that way too. So, but we're trying to create you. And also remember, uh, we're trying to create you as your own superhero. And that's why remember I had like a half hour to 45 minute conversation about, uh, how great that movie with Bree Larson was, uh, captain Marvel. Yes. And then you, cause you said there was no great female superheroes.

And then it was like that she made that and I was like, I still think this one of the greatest movies, greatest superhero movies ever. And so then imagine if you see yourself as like, you know, that virus comes and you're a superhero. So then that's why like I put on those Robert Graham jackets shirts every day and I walk out.

And then, so imagine, imagine that as this is coming, you're gonna do great, you're gonna be totally fine, but, you know, uh, uh, trust. Trust, but verify. So, verify and do everything to, to make it perfect. I

love it. Um, okay. So, um, we love you, doc. Um, as always, you're the man wildly talented and we're grateful for you.

I'm grateful for you and, um, thank you. Till next time we're gonna, what are we, we're gonna like talk a bunch right? During this quarantine. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you. I love you too. You know what we're gonna do? So I like to do podcasts and stuff like that with. All the people that we love and, uh, the, um, and I've just, you know, normally as, as people listening, probably don't realize this, but normally there's just so much stuff that people want to be treated that I just work.

It's insanity. Um, but then I, I, I, and so then I was in my moment of sitting and I saw all the chaos happening, and then I said, this is like the greatest thing ever. I'm in a podcast for like two hours every day, right? And I'm gonna like talk, I'm gonna literally talk to all my friends and then we're gonna figure all kinds of stuff out.

And then this, and then what's it gonna be, Jackie?

It's gonna be amazing. Nice.