Part 4: Dr. Cook chats with Jackee Stang from Delic Radio

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How are you? Well, I'm alive and healthy and I don't currently have covid that I know of. I, so that's good. I, uh, I'm mentally, mm, I wish I could say, I wish that I could come on and just be like, you know, bank Greenfield and all these other, you know, and, and Matt Cook and just like high energy all the time and just like, good, I'm doing it my.

My, my, uh, cytokines levels or whatever is, is that even a word? Cytokine? Cytokine. My cytokine levels are ao. Okay. But mentally I'm super, I'm in a hole. I'm in a dark hole. But, uh, I've been here before and, you know, one foot in front of the other. What, uh, what do you think the mental hole is about? Uh, I was, I was triggered.

It's like it was an emotional trigger. Oh.

Well, you know, it's interesting cuz I don't know, we were having this conversation the other day a little bit. Everybody that I'm talking to is a little triggered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems that, I think I was triggered because someone else was triggered, but, um, but I, I learned a, a huge lesson and so that's a blessing.

Um, and it's relevant to my, it's relevant to my mental health story. You, you know, what is, do you wanna know something that's interesting? Yeah. I'm gonna give you a mulligan for, for being triggered. What is that? Oh, so in golf, there's this thing like, let, like, let's say they count the number of strokes that you hit, like each time you hit the ball, it counts.

And so you want to hit it like the least amount of times possible. But there's this expression in golf where if, let's say somebody doesn't hit a very good drive, then they'll say, you know what? I'll give you a mulligan and then you just get a second shot for free. Right? And so it's, what's interesting is, I was gonna give you a mulligan anyways, but like for sure, I'm gonna give you, I'm giving you kind of a free pass for being triggered.

Thanks. And the, the I, it's this interesting idea of if you can start to, and I'm saying I'm talking to myself when I'm talking to you, right? Mm-hmm. Is to then to then start to give yourself a little bit of a free pass and then those triggers, it's kinda interesting cuz I was telling you I generally never get triggered.

And I did get triggered by somebody also yesterday. Right? And so then I was like really trying to figure out what to do because, because I was a little bit, um, had a little bit of, we were talking about righteous indignation. I kind of wanted to just pile on my attitude. And then today I, and I didn't have any time, but I, I just called this person and was super nice to them for like 10 minutes.

And that was interesting for me. And it was also interesting for me because I realized strategically I should have never had that call yesterday because I was, I knew that they were not gonna agree and I knew that they were gonna trigger me and I was probably gonna say something I shouldn't. Mm. Right.

You, your gut told you you shouldn't have the fall, but you did it anyway. But I did it just cuz I was kind of pissed and so I just said, you know what? Fuck it. I'm gonna do this. Yeah. I've been there a million times and. It was interesting cuz then I was like, we were talking about it today during meetings, and I was like, you know what?

I knew I shouldn't have done that. Plus I'm probably like the, the, you know, maybe not the, the, like, I, I, sometimes I'll see other people who are able to negotiate their way through stuff and they'll not get triggered. They'll just be like, well, I wish we could do it, but we just can't do it because these are what the rules are and somebody's gonna be, there's somebody's, somebody doesn't like that answer and so they're kind of triggering and they're trying to kinda get under your skin.

But the people who are good at this, and I'm commenting on it because I'm aware of it, but I'm not amazing at this skill because I've, I've historically let people get under my skin and then I just kinda let 'em have it. If they, if I feel like what if their behavior is not appropriate? Right. Because you're, um, an empathic person, right.

And we're, we're empathic in the same way. And so if they try to trigger me, I generally invite that in and go after them. Yeah. But, and then ask me, ask me how many times out of a hundred that works out for me, how many I think that probably works out for me. Like zero times out of a hundred. Right. Cause though, cause generally the person on the other end will can't, doesn't have the capacity to feel the passion that you have for whatever's, whatever triggered you, whatever is driving you.

And so it's just, it's sort of an irrelevant conversation because you're just not speaking the same language. Right. So it's a relevant conversation and yet, It's kind of interesting, like this is an interesting conversation for me with you because I have the same problem that you have, so then it might actually be useful because what I'm doing is I'm just kind of being vulnerable saying, oh yeah, I totally did that yesterday too.

Yeah. Except I don't, I'm, I'm starting not to, I'm starting to reframe it less as a, just a blanket problem. It's not a problem. It's, it's a, it's a problem for me in a way that the greater power that B is trying to tell me something very important and as stubborn as I can be, sometimes it takes a few painful reminders of, hello, hello, hello.

I'm here trying to tell you something. And I realized this time, what. What I wasn't listening to, and it's always the same message. It's, it's, um, no, like you are everything you need. Okay. And so it, it takes I guess, a lot of people a lifetime if not even then to, to listen to that voice. But in my experience and the hard lessons that I learned interpersonally, it, it's that message.

It's not about the other person. It's that I walked into a situation because that ultimately hurt me because I didn't value myself enough to begin with. And, uh, and this whole year, it's been about a year now that I've spent learning those hard lessons as a, as an entrepreneur in a new industry. And, um, Finally came to the realization that, yeah, it's annoying to waste a year or to feel like you wasted a year.

But, you know, ev there's a, the, the prescription is different for everyone. And, uh, and sometimes you don't, like for me it wasn't, I know the feeling you, you the, the voice inside telling you, oh, I shouldn't have that phone call. You know, I know what's gonna happen on that phone call. Um,

are you with me? Are you, are you putting here, are you doing an IV right now? I'm literally doing an iv, which is amazing. I love it. I know you have like a blue glove on Oh yeah. Because safety first. Safety first. Um, so, So that's, so I love that you just said that because it's what, like, for me, it's just getting more effective and so these are just opportun this, so then, then this is just an opportunity for both of us to be more effective, to be more effective.

And I think bringing it back to like the, he, the physical health conversation, it, it's so relevant to the, to this emotional conversation because the more on point your body is in terms of firing the way that it's built fire and you know, you're in flow state and everything's, everything's rocking. The more that's happening, the more you can be emotionally, I think you can be emotionally aware and present.

Okay. So for me, a lot of, um, my lessons come outta nowhere, right? So I don't even feel that initial, I shouldn't do that. I know I shouldn't do that, and I do it anyway. A lot of times I get just like an email outta nowhere from an asshole, um, trying to dig at me for whatever their reasons are, but it triggers me and then I go down a rabbit hole and spin out because, you know, cuz I'm passionate.

Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, it's a longer story than that. There's a, there's a much more, there's a much deeper lesson in this one for me that's more about, um, my voice and the patriarchy and all of those deep conversations. But, um, Well, but like that you told me, I would say, of all the things that you've ever told me, one of maybe my favorite was, I was like, I don't know.

We were, it was just like, I was talking to you and Matt one day, and then I was like, what's the title of your book? And you said, tons of misogyny. A shit ton of misogyny. Yeah, it's true. And I, I'm not even a feminist. I don't even know what that is. I, I don't like read feminist literature and, you know, I, I don't ascribe to that box, but so many of my professional lessons come as a result of like facing misogyny, um, at, um, at the cost of feeling super alone and isolated and.

Scared and confused and sad and all of these things, um, that generally go along with being an entrepreneur anyway. Right. But there's a, there's a, there's like, there's a little extra element to it when you're a female and it's like this, it's this quiet veil that isn't always like, you can't always articulate what it is, but you see it and you feel it.

And in my case, it takes men, actually men who I love in my life to kind of point it out to me and they're like, oh no, that's, that's a man trying to control you. And, um, you know, in the psychedelic space, it's interesting because there's, I mean, you think about the top five, most recognizable, psychedelic, influential names, and they're all male.

They're all white men. Um, and the space in general is pretty. Lacking in diversity or at least the aboveground space, I think, and probably the, the underground space too. And, um, it's, I, it's always shocking to me considering the, the subject matter because psychedelics and plant medicines have the, have the potential to really, um, hack through that kind of an energy hack through that like power trip, um, vibration.

And yet it's so rampant in the psyched, the current psychedelic space that it's like, it's, it can throw me every now and then listen to this one. I, this is so good because, you know, it's interesting. I probably, and it's interesting like. It's embarrassing for me to say this one too. I was basically kind of not really very aware that misogyny or just like discrimination of what against women existed because I was just doing whatever I was doing.

You know what I mean? And then I became aware of it, and then I realized it was kind of everywhere, right? And then plus of the pt, the PTSD work that I do, all of a sudden, then the last three or four years, all of a sudden I started seeing all kinds of people. And so then I realized it's totally rampant.

We, there may have been a edit there, I realized it's totally rampant. Um, and so then no, we're just gonna leave it in by the way we're gonna leave it. But, um, but so then what happens is, like you told me that line. And so then I probably told 20 or 50 women, I'm like, oh, I got this friend of mine and she told me that the title of her biopic is gonna be tons of misogyny.

But then we realized she's gonna be okay. And then all everyone smiled because it like acknowledges that it exists, it acknowledges that it's real. And then like what happens is like these conversations that I'm having with you, like I have this conversation every single day in my life. And so then what I started doing is I started, tell, I was telling you this yesterday, I've just started telling people like, oh, just go listen to my podcast with Jackie cuz you're, you have exact like how you feel, millions and millions of women feel just like you do.

And so then that I'm, and this is sort of my defining idea of like talking to you like this is, I think, What's gonna happen is, is you're gonna start to feel super supported, like by other people, and then you're gonna become kind of a beacon of it's okay to be Jackie. I I, I hope so. And, uh, that's all we really want, right?

That's, it's like, yeah, most women feel that way, but we don't talk about it just like men, you know, you, you don't really talk about your gender shit with each other either. I don't think. Um, you're out golfing and giving each, giving each other. What was that? Am mulligan We're we're giving, we're giving each other mulligans.

Cause we're, we know that we're kinda somewhat failures, but we're gonna make ourselves feel a little bit better about it. Yeah. And, uh, I, I, I'm gonna get there. I, I, I feel down today. Because I care so much because, because hard lessons really fucking hit me in the face super hard. But, and yet I feel now even more certain that I'm going to get where I wanna be.

And that is like, through all of this fucking bullshit. It's just, um, it's just really scary. And we're, we're meant to, I don't know where I picked up along the line. This, this feeling of needing to have idols or as I call them now, false idols. Um, but I got into this habit because of misogyny, because of, you know, whatever father stuff or just not having a lot of confidence growing up.

Uh, thinking that I needed to, well, on the one hand, it was ascribing narratives to people in an ideal way that wasn't necessarily true to their real nature. But also just having mentors, right? If you're lucky enough to have even one really good mentor at which I've had maybe two, maybe three so far, and, and that's, and that's like the human condition, right?

Like we're, we teach each other. Hopefully that's what we do. Um, the older people teach younger people, and, and that's how we get through life. That's how we evolve. That's how we get better. And if you're lucky enough to have really good mentors, you and you're a good student, you feel so much gratitude for the, that human interaction.

That rare intimacy that I, in my case, would, you know, I would take that gratitude and kind of, uh, occasionally I would conflate it to other people who I was putting in that mentor box but didn't deserve it cuz I didn't really know them and they weren't actually my mentors. And I did that this year, uh, with someone who, you know, it's kind of a big name in the psychedelic space, and realized that it was all just this narrative I had created in my head that he was not actually this, I, I didn't even know him and he is not really even worthy of my, um, Of my reverence in that way.

And then I had a moment of realization where he showed his true cards and he turned out to be this sort of like, you know, man behind the curtain. Another Oz, um, figure. And I'm, again, I don't know, I'm so, I'm sure he is a nice person in his private life, but professionally, the way he showed his hand was super misogynistic and kind of like, you know, I'm the king of this castle and you must, you must bow under my thumb, and who the fuck are you, um, Jackie stang.

And it was just like, okay, Jackie. Like you have to use your own voice. We can't constantly kind of live or die by other people's voices. And, and a really good way to do that is to get your fucking gut healthy, you know, to get your body right so that you're reg, so that you can emotionally regulate.

That's a good one. That's a good one. Um, what, so, so you know how like there's this idea like, oh, you're gonna be okay. Mm-hmm. I think what, what happens is sometimes I love how I've got this blue glove here. So the, sometimes I feel like what happens is we, the story that we tell ourselves is that there's somebody that came into our life that might be our ticket to freedom, right?

Like, and often that's someone who's in that kind of mentorish box. And so if there's this person that's in the Mentorish box, we put them way up on this pedestal because we're thinking that if we're in this relationship with them and they're with us, that we're gonna be okay. Right. And so then all of a sudden, all of our hopes and dreams are pinned on them helping us.

Now the reality is that they're probably just like some mildly helpful person, and it may work out and it may not work out, and probably 50 50. But, uh, but we, we conflate that a little bit. And so then the, but managing those expectations is difficult because we're really trying to pin, we're trying for this idea that it's all gonna be okay.

But, but then interestingly, that is like my alternate perspective is that you just run the energy, like everything's gonna be perfect. It's gonna be amazing. I think that's how I came up with it. Cuz I'm almost just like saying, oh, whether this guy or this woman or whoever your people are, whether it works out or not, you're basically gonna be great.

And so how do you, what is a hack to, cuz I mean, I've not been like actually diagnosed with anything specific when it comes to mental condition. Um, but when I get into these deep, empathetic, sad spots, being able to say, pull myself out and like, say, Nope, everything's gonna be okay. It's gonna be great.

Being able to make that switch is impossible. Like when I'm deep down in Okay, it's, it almost feels, it's not even an option. Like I can't even see it. So how, you know, it's like figuring out what that is and finding hacks to like, okay, I'm in the spiral. What do I do now? What practical thing can I do to stop the spiraling out?

To stop the bleeding?

Stop the bleeding. That's a good one. Yeah. I thought you might like that one. So probably I would say put a tourniquet on,

but, uh, so, so, um, so then this is the thing I think, um,

There's a little bit. Part of it is like just skills like me recognizing like last night I recognized that I shouldn't call this person, but I did anyways. Right? So then now what's gonna happen is tomorrow, if that happens, it's soon enough and I'm gonna be like, you know what? I'm the worst person to have this call.

I'm gonna have Barb call them. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so then part of that is a little bit of strategy. You know, part of that is just, and I think

if you had four or five of those things, and then right when it happened, if you called me, if we processed through it, I think you would realize, I almost always feel like by the time I'm done talking with you, We re we come to some realization that whoever this is isn't worth the time that the talk took the talk about 'em.

Right. But, but at the time, and I'm not saying this 50% to you and 50% to me at the time, it seems just like total chaos. And so part, there's a, the hack is to suspend disbelief just enough to kinda like have this conversation, you know, with me or somebody who's neutral. You know, Matt's saying he's kind of neutral.

He's like, operationally, it's kinda like we, I like what we said. Like he doesn't care. Like we would both be wrong if it just meant that we got to dinner on time, you know? Right. But that's all that he, in this case, that doesn't work. Uh, because you know, you want somebody who's is. Like an empathetic person, but uh, yeah, I know what you mean.

But not everybody has that, I guess more so maybe now that we're all stuck at home and we can call each other, um, right. But, but so that, that's because, so then I think this one is like the, a self-knowledge thing because it's, this one is a little bit like replaying the game tape. Like they talk about this in football.

So like what happens is, is there's a football game on Sunday. Yes. And then do you know about this? I was a cheerleader doc. I understand God. Okay, cheerleader. So then, so then I'm obviously not telling you anything that you don't know, but, so then what happens is, can you replay the tape up? Then they, they do, they play that and they keep watching that tape, and then they're just sitting there and kind of talking about it like, oh, you, you probably should have gone to the right here because he just tackled you and I know what you mean.

And so I just, it just occurred to me that that little, so this is the lesson this year, that little voice that you mentioned in your story of who's like, don't fucking call this guy. Like, you don't, you don't need to call this guy. That voice happened for me in this, with this person, in this relationship, in, in several relationships.

Like it, like a year ago. Yeah. And so a lot of the feelings of whoa, were just like, fuck, why didn't I listen to that voice? Why didn't I listen to that voice? I could have avoided all of this bullshit. Because you can always pin back that moment of like, oh, that's when, that's when whoever was telling me.

Um, it'd be nice if we could go ahead, huh? You may have thought. Yeah. So I had this conversation with this friend of mine, Sam Wallace. He's a doctor. Shout out to Sam and Huh? Shout out to Sam. Shout out to Sam Wallace. Shout. This is a shout out. It's a podcast. Shout out. That's a shout out. He's a doctor in Western Montana and we were in pre-med together, and he used to talk about, we used to talk about this in relationships.

It's like there's somebody and you wanna have a relationship with them for one reason or another, but then there's this gigantic stop sign that says, stop. But then you think, you know what? I'm just gonna drive by that stop sign. Because for whatever the one reason or another was, it seemed like a good idea.

And maybe we should just keep going. Now I've only driven past like that stop sign like maybe four or 5,000 times, you know, and so and so then, but then knowledge, self knowledge enough to begin to realize, oh, okay, I just drove by that stop sign. So then I, now where I am is, I know I'm super aware if I drive by the stop sign and I kind of know I'm taking a little bit of a risk with this person, or, uh, I don't think it's even gonna work out.

Like, a lot of times I'll be like, you know what? I don't think this is really gonna work out. Uh, but then sometimes I'll just play it through because it's just like not gonna take that much. And if it works, it's gonna be amazing. And sometimes it does. But then also because I'm aware of the fact that I drove through the stop sign for of, of whatever that is, when it doesn't work out, I'm easier on myself than I used to be cuz I'm like, I did totally ignore my intuition on that.

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By reaching out to us at 6 5 0 8 8 8 7 9 5 0, or at our website, www.bioreresetmedical.com. It's going to be amazing. You know, it'd be wonderful if we could correlate a healthy gut biome directly to a louder volume of intuition. Cause you know, always say, we say, we say your gut, but there's biological gut.

There's the spiritual gut. We need like a, like a, like a, like a, some sort of remedy for volume, for gut volume. So listen to this one. This is the interesting idea. You know how like we crowdsource certain ideas? Mm-hmm. So there's like, Trillions of bacteria in your intestines, like three to 10 pounds of bacteria.

And then so much of our intuition is like this gut sense, and you could almost say it's like a average of those trillions of life forms that are in us. It's like they're sensing stuff and how good it's gonna be for us. I mean, that would be, that's kind of an interesting idea. It's totally an interesting idea.

Maybe we should animate it. That would be a good animation because that would be really good animation. Because I think now interestingly the, the, if your gut health is amazing, I generally think your health is overall gonna, like you almost never see anybody that has amazing gut health. And then everything, uh, everything else is bad, right?

Yeah. So then that's one. So then making good, making some, so then you can, you can kind, the hack is everything that you do for yourself, like you wouldn't believe how many phone calls that I've had this week, week where people call me and I, they go like, and there's a shout out to this super nice lady that I told her to watch the podcast and then it turns out she's been going to McDonald's.

Mm-hmm. And, but it's just so stressful you can't see any of your friends. You can't do anything that you do. And interestingly, if you eat at McDonald's, it's gonna create mass inflammation and it's gonna create a fight or flight circumstance down on your belly, and then that does kind of numb you. To the chaos of fear and stuff like that.

Mm-hmm. And so, and so then part of part of it is like, we did this, we did this thing where I did the, I go, I am done with fast food. And then we just kept doing that back and forth. Affirmation. Yeah. And she's gonna do it with her husband this week. And then, uh, we came up with an idea that we're just gonna be done with that.

Just done with it. They're still, are they still selling McDonald's? I think apparently, yeah. Cuz she's been going every day. Wow. Here's a, uh, uh, sideline question. So, The medicine, the malaria drug that they're using for covid treatment. Harlequin. Yeah. Or Quinn, whatever, whatever. Quinn. So, Quin, yeah. Well, yeah.

So because that affects inflammation positively or decreases inflammation, could you just like take it if you have other kind of inflammation, like from eating McDonald's, the, I wouldn't think of that as an anti-inflammatory drug. Mm-hmm. Um, it does help inflammation in some patients that have autoimmune conditions like lupus and stuff like that.

Um, uh, it, I've talked to probably 50 people, 50 doctors that have treated patients with it, who told me it for sure. Works. Right. So, um, now it's almost impossible to get. And so I don't know why that is. It's like, I don't know if it's just all being stored for the government or what, like it's kinda odd. Um, and hopefully we'll get a lot of access to that.

Um, the, um, the problem is nobody has access to it and so you can't, and so saying that we could use a prophylactically is not gonna be a possibility. Um, what I believe is that the right things to do is going to be, if someone gets an upper respiratory, uh, set of symptoms that sounds like covid, then ideally they're gonna get a test.

But there's lack of access to testing as we know. So then, If, if someone had, uh, a fever and a cough and had potentially an exposure, I would, I would put them on that medication. If they started to have, now it can have some effects on the heart. And so you have to rule those things out. And then if they started to get a pneumonia, I would put them on azithromycin.

In addition to that, I would also put a Zack. Now the combination of those can, can put people at even higher risk of this one problem with the heart. So you have to rule all of that stuff out. Um, uh, and then I would also put them on zinc because part of the mechanism that hydroxychloroquine, uh, has is that it helps, uh, open up the membrane to zinc and let zinc into the cells, uh, which can help to have a bad effect on the viruses, which is good.

Um, and so then I would do a couple other things too. Um, now knowing that means there's some fairly good strategies out there, and then there's a whole bunch of other stuff that you can do that's more off label. And so then what I would do is just know in your mind and in your consciousness that there's a lot that can be done, which kind of then is, goes along with my attitude, which is it's gonna be amazing.

Be amazing, you're gonna be fine. It's gonna be amazing. I, I generally love that attitude. And, um, I do think that people are cracking a bit and they're looking for, they're cracking in ways they might not crack otherwise because they're well at home and they, you know, idle hands. All the devil's playground and, um, People start to just kind of spiral mentally.

Um, which is why everyone's talking about the ptsd. That's obviously the mental PTSD that's gonna come from, um, just people quarantining for the first time in their life, not really knowing how to handle that after, oh, guess what I, after I've got the greatest news ever. Yay. What's that? Uh, so, so that, um, uh, uh, we're, we're obviously working with you on some the PTSD reset, but, um, we're mailing you Ketamine and you're gonna do a ketamine session.

Yes. Very soon. Uh, over Zoom with us. I am super stoked. I'm not stoked for the reasons you might think like, oh, I'm getting ketamine in the mail. Um, because I'd actually, I actually prefer it in an iv, but it's, um, if I had it today, for example, I think I would've, I would've come right out of that spiral sooner and, uh, weakened my immune system less with, because I would've had less emotional stress.

But then what's gonna be amazing is, is we're gonna do this. And then how long do you usually feel better for after you do it? Like five to seven days. That could be like a quarter of the quarantine. Yeah. Or depending on how long it is. So what do you think? So, okay, so we're talking now about, Um, at home or tele ketamine, telemedicine in general.

Thank goodness the restrictions on that have been, um, lightened up. But, um, there's a company in New York, I forget what their mind bloom. They, I think were the first to come out with this ability for New Yorkers. I'm not sure if it's nationwide, but definitely for people in New York to be able to, um, receive ketamine therapy, prescription ketamine therapy by of course, a licensed physician.

Um, which means people get certain forms of ketamine in the mail and then they are told how to consume it. And then I'm not sure, during or after you have an integration or process session with a licensed professional on your computer. Is it during or after? Or both. What we're doing is we're, we're supporting you during the session and then there's follow up afterwards, right?

And so we're doing it. I think we're gonna be doing it in, we're gonna be doing it in every state. Um, I think that's so amazing for people. Like, I'm so excited for people and it's not that expensive either. I mean, everyone, you know, the market's gonna fluctuate in pricing that's gonna go through that whole thing, but generally speaking, um, the Ketamine itself is not that expensive.

It's, yeah. But we, we, I made a, we sent an email allowed to our, our practice and the bunch of people just were like, okay, yeah, we wanna do it. Can you mail it to us tomorrow? Um, and it's people who we've have. And so I put together a, a protocol of a whole bunch of things that are gonna make your mitochondria work better.

And then, then we're gonna give you the ketamine. And this is, as you know, ketamine works way better when you get n e d and all of the stuff that we do. Well, everything works better with N A D, but yes, for me, everything actually true. But then what, um, it's gonna be cheaper than in the office. So how great is that?

And, and, and this, this reframing, it might be that like, if you can kind of like change your angle on things at ho at at home, it's like all of a sudden, like what I alway